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Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Friday January 11, 2019 @09:48AM (#18883865)
Sooner or later, I'm sure you'll get the last word in. The suspense is about anticipating when!
Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:26AM (#18881428)
I don’t have a single link for you. Gee, looks like you win the internet.

Except, just try it. Try to exclude them from your diet, and see where you wind up.

And at this point, we can see that there’s nothing to your argument except pedantry. You use vague blanket statements “all” and “carbs” but link to a specific article about refined carbohydrates only, which really doesn’t cover the total scope of “all” carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates are a chemical class. You get carbs when you eat fruits and vegetables. Those are carbs.

People who go vegan have to deal with managing their carb intake all the time, and guess what? It ain’t just because of bread, pasta, rice, whole grain, flour and sugar. The sources of protein for a vegan diet often bring carbs along for the ride. Legumes bring carbs to the table. Quinoa is really popular, but includes a carbohydrate load, even though it’s a good source of essential amino acids.

If carbohydrates aren’t an essential aspect of metabolism, then can you explain the role of glycolysis as an input to the Krebs cycle? Need a link for that?

https://google.com/search?q=glycolysis+krebs+cycle

Have fun.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:03AM (#18881350)

  for some reason
  you single out
Correct. I think it’s relevant and counterintuitive that the lethal dose amount for table salt is as low as it is, while remaining an essential nutrient.

That should catch your attention. It should jump out at you, and if it doesn’t, you probably need to reexamine how you think about food.

And anyway, I didn’t single anything out. Point your finger somewhere else, after you read this entire thread.

I think you very clearly have it backwards. The article up for discussion singles out sugar, and I responded to someone else’s criticism of singling out sugar.

So, where’s your stance against me now?

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Thursday January 10, 2019 @05:40PM (#18879087)
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/43297...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_poisoning

Yes. The dose is something like less than a pound of salt, probably 100 grams might work, disolved in solution, and taken in one sitting, as a deliberate act of ritual suicide.

I think the inspiration draws from the concept of sea water dehydration/toxicity. Probably not a great way to go, since it isn’t fast, you hallucinate before losing consciousness, and it probably involves a lot of vomiting.

The point being, though, that a mason jar of salt carries a near zero perception of hazard, since it’s not really accident prone (accidental salt overdoses among children or the elderly aren’t commonly reported) but we also don’t consider it particularly deadly, even though the potential is there.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Thursday January 10, 2019 @06:59AM (#18873242)
Carbs are a source of ordinary nutrition, so the cravings you experience aren't a clue regarding addiction.

Body chemistry has essential needs. You can't just drop carbs (simple or complex), feel a pang, and conflate as addiction.

And yeah, all meat transmits compounds besides protein. But.

Meat sourced from mammals is different. And genetic/evolutionary proximity matters.

Pork, for sure, is controversial according to religious food customs for a reason. Not just the perception of pigs as "filthy animals." Consider that boar taint is a key factor in selecting how to butcher pigs for their meat.

Plants are extremely distant, and the evolutionary pathways that have lead to biologically significant plants is on the other side of the predator/prey wall.

Plants do not operate lipids in ways similar to animals, and oil solubility is a key factor for how animal behavior and metabolism gets modified by nutrition. From vitamins, to horomones, to blood/brain barrier crossing agents.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Thursday January 10, 2019 @06:55AM (#18873218)
Yeah, pretty much. There's no hard rule for how to balance sugar against use of stimulants and performance enhancers.

I couldn't tell you the right choices to make, unconditionally. Even just by body weight. Habit and tolerance are major curve balls. Caloric burn varies by body part.

Meanwhile, canned drinks are really just about flavors and marketing, balanced against cost.

Re:Hubble takes gigantic image of the Triangulum Galaxy on Thursday January 10, 2019 @06:49AM (#18873189)
The pencil lead and the car are distractions, that lead the reader to confuse possible relative size analogies, with frames of direct observation.
Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Thursday January 10, 2019 @04:42AM (#18872652)
Sort of. Not a silver bullet answer, but yes.

Mostly, considering that caffeine’s psychoactive profile is that of a alkaloid stimulant, part of what it’s doing is messing with your brain’s glucose consumption.

So, look at what happens to people who would shotgun energy drinks or Mountain Dew, and sit on their ass, playing World of Warcraft for many multiple months. Obesity.

The combination of caffeine and sugar maintained the mental clarity to thrash at a console controller, repetitively for hours on end, with no physical activity.

The brain is consuming the drip feed of sugar, and the caffeine is dialating the cerebral blood vessels, so more can be pulled in, contributing to the increased mental clarity and engagement.

But, other than finger and eye movement, there’s like, near zero body activity, and all the caloric overflow pools in other parts of the body, and basically, the liver takes the hit performing conversion of the excess sugar into fat, storing it, since the muscles aren’t actively burning it.

So if you aren’t burning all the sugar you eat (most 100 calorie beverages are like ten spoons of sugar, including coca-cola), it compounds any problems with all the other lipids you do eat.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China on Thursday January 10, 2019 @04:16AM (#18872564)
Financed research with vested interests, though it may be, salt, fat and red meat can have palpable effects on the human body.

Salt is an implement of suicide, for one.

Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of biological signaling residue from the original animal’s state, even when fully cooked. From horomones, to antibiotics, to persistent organic pollutants, and then onward to your electrolyte changes required to produce the gastric juices for the quantity you’ve eaten. Muscle protein, though it may be, it’s a carrier of all kinds of interesting artifacts, and when you start accepting ground beef, you even open up the window to prion diseases, since other tissues, besides muscle, sneak in.

Fat does have complications and side effects, now that we have a better concept of the way transfats interact with our metabolism, when they remain waxier and refuse to easily melt at body temperature, requiring more intensive effort to burn off. This means fried foods and processed food that deliver doses of transfat really do introduce a metabolic issue.

Food is complex, and refined sugar also adds problems. I don’t find sugar addictive, but in high quantities, and when combined with these other gotchas, sugar is definitely a serious contributor to all the obesity and diabetes we see, for sure. Eat some extra donuts for a month to notice the difference. Actually, don’t.

Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol are also complications, that seem to fly under the cognitive radar in these discussions. And are actually probably the worst offenders, in terms of seriously augmenting an unhealthy diet.

Re:Hubble takes gigantic image of the Triangulum Galaxy on Thursday January 10, 2019 @02:44AM (#18872218)
Platlets are about a tenth of the size of erythrocytes. Sometimes up to one fifth the size, for big ones.

Horizons on earth start at maybe 25 or 30 miles away.

Cars are about 10 feet across.

But you’re saying an 8 (maybe 6) micrometer erythrocyte, less than 10 feet away (on a car window), can eclipse a half a millimeter graphite pencil lead at a distance of 86Km (53 miles)?

Also, a meter is a million micrometers. A millimeter is a thousand micrometers. You would need 100 copies of a 10 micrometer object, to span a millimeter. Fifty, to span half.

Are you saying VY Canis Majoris is the erythrocyte to Triangulum’s pencil lead? As it eclipses said object at 53 miles?

Or are you saying the erythrocyte is fixed onto a house window, and an erythrocyte can occlude the direct observation of an actual star in the sky (the biggest one we know of), even at 53 miles, which is over, beyond and even twice past any terrestrial horizon, and would need to be on a window in a skyscraper taller than anything ever built?

EDIT: Sorry, the Burj Kalifa is 2,700 feet tall, so its spire would peek over the horizon, even at distances up to around 60 miles. So, I need to update my mental trivia model. We actually have built something that big, but it only happened about ten years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa