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Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by Eric_WVGG on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:19PM (#18853112)
I agree. It's clear in hindsight that Apple has provided more innovation and Alphabet is still an ad machine.
Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by lawrenceyan on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @01:17AM (#18853681)
I disagree with the innovation portion of your comment, but definitely, advertising is an extremely strong foundation of consistent steady growth / revenue. Whatever the economic forces at the time, Google will always continue to provide. With Apple on the other hand it's foundation currently depends on hit-driven successes requiring repeated 2 year cycle refresh purchases from it's customers to sustain it. The issues with this are evidently shown.

As to your comment on innovation, Apple has largely squandered it's source of foundational income cornering itself into a niche, such that though it may be extremely innovative in it's area (Apple has some amazing processor design for example), is fundamentally constrained by the limited pieces it has to work with.

Basically, instead of undergoing a necessary evolution like we've seen from the progression of Google -> Alphabet, Apple has failed to scale itself in a way where it can keep up. This by no means is meant as a sleight to any Apple employees though, as I know from first hand experience that some of the best and brightest people are working there. It's just a matter of how scaling works. Horizontal scaling allows for unlimited growth, whereas vertical scaling quickly reaches an asymptotic ceiling.

Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by scarface74 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @06:32AM (#18854829)
Seeing that nothing Google has done outside of selling ads has been profitable and we can assume that all of Apple’s products generate a profit, how can Google’s ventures be considered a “success”?
Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by jboy55 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @10:45AM (#18856302)
A success in that it has transformed the public image of the worlds largest and effectively "only" internet ad platform into one of a benevolent tech company working on problems that will help the world.

Google for most of the last decade has had it 'easy' though. The natural expansion of its ad revenue has reduced the need for it to turn some 'evilness' dials to keep revenue and profit growing. With Apple its very straight forward, they sell things, and if you want their services you pay for them.

Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by scarface74 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @11:10AM (#18856573)
A success in that it has transformed the public image of the worlds largest and effectively "only" internet ad platform into one of a benevolent tech company working on problems that will help the world.

How much has that goodwill improved profitability? What were people going to do, revolt and use Bing?

Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by jboy55 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @02:23PM (#18858666)
Well, for one, it keeps Antitrust somewhat at bay. But, its beyond search, if you want to monetize your site with ads, its pretty much impossible to avoid using Google.
Re:Capitalism the Apple Way vs. Capitalism the Google Way (2... by Eric_WVGG on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @03:51PM (#18859551)
I appreciate your considered reply to my admittedly flippant reply to what I considered an unconsidered statement, so I'll try to return the favor.

Alphabet's approach to innovation is to throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. I’m not disparaging that approach, it’s probably what I would do if I had all the money in the world. But I’m not convinced that any of these “moonshots” are amounting to much yet.

Apple has been described by many as the world’s largest startup. They’re very careful with their focus and resources, even to the point of killing off successful products (not just iPods, but things like their routers and printers). They _could_ just spend money and grow, but they know that would lead Apple to not being Apple anymore.

So what is Apple? A strangely conservative company with a clear vision of the future that they approach slowly and methodically.

Apple brought us the “touch future” and the truly “personal computer” (the one you take everywhere in your pocket). We still haven’t fully realized this potential and Apple is still building on it. Look me up in ten years and let me know if they’ve hit that vertical ceiling.