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Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by anonytrary on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:13PM (#18835947)
Jokes on them, I have electrical tape on my camera lens. Something I learned from Facebook's CEO, ironically.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by analog31 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:10PM (#18836308)
The image that's gathered when the camera is completely in the dark, is a unique fingerprint of the camera chip. This is something called "fixed pattern noise."
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by angry_octet on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:09PM (#18836515)
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by Laforet on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:28PM (#18836376)
In that case just put on a few more layers. Shot noise is fairly random.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by analog31 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:42PM (#18836427)
True. But if you share enough images from the same chip, eventually the fixed pattern noise can be computed to a decent enough accuracy to use it as a fingerprint. Now, you could measure the fixed pattern noise and subtract it from subsequent images. This is a widespread practice in scientific imaging. I'm not devious enough to think of how this could be defeated by someone who really wants to use your camera chip as a fingerprint, but it might be enough to defeat an amateur.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by angry_octet on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:25PM (#18836561)
Dark-Signal Non Uniformity (DSNU):

https://harvestimaging.com/blog/?p=814

So likely to provide a few bits of entropy.

Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by justinph on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:22PM (#18836355)
These make a pretty good cover _and_ support the EFF: https://supporters.eff.org/shop/laptop-camera-cover-set
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by cherrygarcia on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:41PM (#18836156)
Same, but I like gaff tape because it peels off easy and re-sticks well without leaving a gummy residue
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by peteretep on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:42PM (#18836623)
I use my laptop camera every day. I have a neat little plastic thing that can be easily slid back and forth and I am happy with
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by bitL on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:37PM (#18836117)
That can be potentially even easier; if you have a few specks of dust on the camera and your tape leaks a bit of light, they would have a perfect pattern to detect your lens - the specks aren't moving and there will be only speck effects recognizable on any video frame they capture when they max out contrast.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by baddox on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:57PM (#18836243)
Facebook is using images that people uploaded, and I doubt parent commenter is taking and uploading many pictures with tape over the lens.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by skizm on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:54PM (#18836649)
FYI: If you cover it with scotch tape some light gets through and the phone/laptop can still use the auto-brighten feature.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by nixpulvis on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:17PM (#18835984)
I'd love to see people spending >$1,000 on a new iPhone "for the camera", only to cover it with electrical tape.

This sounds like something out of Silicon Valley.

Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by baddox on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:58PM (#18836248)
Yes, it would be absurd for any one person to do both of those things, but I highly doubt that has occurred.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by paulryanrogers on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:23PM (#18836045)
It is rather amazing that smartphone cameras are so feature packed, yet still lack a lens cover. Something as old as cameras themselves.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by nixpulvis on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:27PM (#18836064)
Old cameras didn't exactly fit in your pocket, and didn't have sapphire glass...

Though I do think it would be nice to have a hardware (iris?) way to close off the camera. Some laptops have this, though I'm sad mine doesn't.

Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by walterbell on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:56PM (#18836241)
They are available for phones and laptops, e.g. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B66VZ97/
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by sky_rw on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:05PM (#18836281)
+1 these are awesome. I have them on all my devices.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by _emacsomancer_ on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:27PM (#18836570)
That's pretty nice. I'll have to see if I can find some designed for ThinkPads and Samsung phones.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by erklik on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:41PM (#18836617)
Should work on all Laptops, not sure what's different about ThinkPads. Probably won't work on Samsung phones though.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by Finnucane on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:39PM (#18836419)
“Is that a Hasselblad in your pocket, or are just having a really bad day?”
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by paulcole on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:35PM (#18836107)
But then can’t they just tell it’s you by the tape on the lens?
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by gruez on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:00PM (#18836256)
Because nobody else tapes up their lens?
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca... by paulcole on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:03PM (#18836270)
Dust pattern on the tape.