Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by anonytrary on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:13PM
(#18835947)
Jokes on them, I have electrical tape on my camera lens. Something I learned from Facebook's CEO, ironically.
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Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by analog31 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:10PM
(#18836308)
The image that's gathered when the camera is completely in the dark, is a unique fingerprint of the camera chip. This is something called "fixed pattern noise."
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by angry_octet on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:09PM
(#18836515)
You learn some great things on HN!
2006: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3455253_Digital_Cam...
Notes (by El Gamal of FPGA fame, not cryptography fame): http://isl.stanford.edu/~abbas/ee392b/lect07.pdf
Forensics: https://www.mobiledit.com/camera-ballistics
Anti-forensics (counter-measures/imitation): https://arxiv.org/abs/1707.07795v1 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305181626_Removing_...
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by Laforet on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:28PM
(#18836376)
In that case just put on a few more layers. Shot noise is fairly random.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by analog31 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:42PM
(#18836427)
True. But if you share enough images from the same chip, eventually the fixed pattern noise can be computed to a decent enough accuracy to use it as a fingerprint. Now, you could measure the fixed pattern noise and subtract it from subsequent images. This is a widespread practice in scientific imaging. I'm not devious enough to think of how this could be defeated by someone who really wants to use your camera chip as a fingerprint, but it might be enough to defeat an amateur.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by angry_octet on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:25PM
(#18836561)
Dark-Signal Non Uniformity (DSNU):
https://harvestimaging.com/blog/?p=814
So likely to provide a few bits of entropy.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by justinph on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:22PM
(#18836355)
These make a pretty good cover _and_ support the EFF: https://supporters.eff.org/shop/laptop-camera-cover-set
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by cherrygarcia on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:41PM
(#18836156)
Same, but I like gaff tape because it peels off easy and re-sticks well without leaving a gummy residue
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by peteretep on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:42PM
(#18836623)
I use my laptop camera every day. I have a neat little plastic thing that can be easily slid back and forth and I am happy with
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by bitL on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:37PM
(#18836117)
That can be potentially even easier; if you have a few specks of dust on the camera and your tape leaks a bit of light, they would have a perfect pattern to detect your lens - the specks aren't moving and there will be only speck effects recognizable on any video frame they capture when they max out contrast.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by baddox on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:57PM
(#18836243)
Facebook is using images that people uploaded, and I doubt parent commenter is taking and uploading many pictures with tape over the lens.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by skizm on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:54PM
(#18836649)
FYI: If you cover it with scotch tape some light gets through and the phone/laptop can still use the auto-brighten feature.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by nixpulvis on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:17PM
(#18835984)
I'd love to see people spending >$1,000 on a new iPhone "for the camera", only to cover it with electrical tape.
This sounds like something out of Silicon Valley.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by baddox on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:58PM
(#18836248)
Yes, it would be absurd for any one person to do both of those things, but I highly doubt that has occurred.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by paulryanrogers on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:23PM
(#18836045)
It is rather amazing that smartphone cameras are so feature packed, yet still lack a lens cover. Something as old as cameras themselves.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by nixpulvis on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:27PM
(#18836064)
Old cameras didn't exactly fit in your pocket, and didn't have sapphire glass...
Though I do think it would be nice to have a hardware (iris?) way to close off the camera. Some laptops have this, though I'm sad mine doesn't.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by walterbell on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:56PM
(#18836241)
They are available for phones and laptops, e.g. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B66VZ97/
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by sky_rw on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:05PM
(#18836281)
+1 these are awesome. I have them on all my devices.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by _emacsomancer_ on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:27PM
(#18836570)
That's pretty nice. I'll have to see if I can find some designed for ThinkPads and Samsung phones.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by erklik on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:41PM
(#18836617)
Should work on all Laptops, not sure what's different about ThinkPads. Probably won't work on Samsung phones though.
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by Finnucane on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:39PM
(#18836419)
“Is that a Hasselblad in your pocket, or are just having a really bad day?”
Re:Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Ca...
by paulcole on Saturday January 05, 2019 @09:35PM
(#18836107)
But then can’t they just tell it’s you by the tape on the lens?