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Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by shhehebehdh on Saturday January 05, 2019 @06:59PM (#18835255)
Obviously it’s not that Google doesn’t have the resources. They have enough resources to fund whole new OSes. Of course they could fund testing.

Chrome team, on the other hand, does not have the resources. Which is to say that this is not the thing they believe is most important to work on at the margin, and given the amount of engineers Google will fund for the project.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by geofft on Saturday January 05, 2019 @07:34PM (#18835440)
Which, to be clear, seems entirely justifiable because software rendering exists.

If Nvidia wants their cards to work well on an all-free-software stack, they can provide a free software driver. If users care about making an unofficial driver work, they can do the work or fund the work. Chrome is just trying to get web pages on the screen and it doesn't seem like it's worth the boil-the-ocean level of effort of taking responsibility for implementing a reverse-engineered graphics driver when they can just get web pages on the screen using software rendering.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by Aeolun on Sunday January 06, 2019 @04:32AM (#18837447)
As far as I understood they could get pages on the screen even with the nouveau driver.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by chrismeller on Sunday January 06, 2019 @05:31AM (#18837641)
That's the part that I don't understand. The bug report says on Linux the same rendering is used for the UI as well as the page content... but only the UI was ever having a problem?

Something doesn't add up to me there, and no one that I saw ever addressed that in more detail.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @07:29PM (#18835418)
If the chrome team doesn't have the resources for testing the most common Linux configurations, it's not a good sign. Linux market share is low but it's a useful signifier.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by shhehebehdh on Sunday January 06, 2019 @01:19AM (#18836886)
They have the resources to test that configuration. They just don’t have the resources to fix the driver bugs the tests found.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by a11595 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @08:22PM (#18835673)
you're the only one saying the don't. they are saying the most common linux configuration causes issues so blacklist the buggy driver in it

they are also saying their that driver may work fine on some less common linux configurations, and the chrome team does not have the resources to test those.

you are literally saying they are saying the opposite of what they said, then blaming them for it.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:53PM (#18836462)
They were using "not enough resources" to support the idea of blacklisting. If they meant it as you say, that means they're blanketly blacklisting the most common config despite having the resources to test it, which is even worse.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by a11595 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @12:22AM (#18836710)
I'm not sure what is unclear to you here. They do support the idea of blacklisting for every possible unpopular config, despite it possibly working. This is not only common sense, it is what every company does. When you write your software, do you test it on every possible distribution users could use, or just the popular ones?

The common distribution was blacklisted not because it was not tested, but because it clearly has issues observed and reported by the users.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by Dylan16807 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @01:26AM (#18836907)
...no, "every company" does not blacklist unpopular configs.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by a11595 on Monday January 07, 2019 @12:52AM (#18843086)
If your software doesn't work in a popular config they don't blacklist it in all the untested less popular configs? You are clear they are blacklisting the GPU driver, not blacklisting a linux install - right?

If a driver does not work in popular configs, and needs to be blacklisted in those configs, your solution is to still whitelist it in other configs and have the browser likely not work.

yes, "every company" does exactly what google did. you are being purposely dense, trying to catch a "technically correct" chance of not admitting the stupidity of your question. The problem is, you are not even technically correct - just purposely dense.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by magicalist on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:18PM (#18836543)
Huh? It appears they did test it, and for that matter (according to the linked post) so did the Nouveau devs who also found it failed the easily accessible test suite.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @11:26PM (#18836567)
We agree Nouveau is completely blacklisted right? That's the main problem here.

And the test suite failed on a minor issue where the cause was uncertain, which gets in the way of checking for the bigger definitely-the-driver problem.

Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by magicalist on Sunday January 06, 2019 @02:25AM (#18837082)
If you can hang the GPU with regular webgl content, that's not a minor issue.
Re:Chromium blacklists Nouveau by vfq on Sunday January 06, 2019 @06:10AM (#18837732)
That's the reason I have webgl disabled even though I'm on Windows with a supported driver. It opens a gaping security/DoS hole without any benefit (do you ever see webgl used in any website?)