I have yet to see Trump arrest the hundreds of thousands of people who marched against him and send them to perform slave labor in Alaska. Or arrest members of the media or opposing political parties who criticize him
1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_Stat...
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>for political prisoners or Muslims
Penal labor is bad and all, but equating what china's doing with what's happening in the US is giving china too much credit.
Regardless of how you think we should handle illegal immigration, we're talking about two very, very different things here. Apparently there's good reason to believe that even if you follow all the laws of China to the letter, there's a risk they'll throw you in a death camp anyway, just because you're American.
The whole point of this article is that China has just begun threatening Americans, so what happened last year is irrelevant.
Nobody is claiming this straw man. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
So you agree that China hasn't thrown Americans into death camps? This rhetoric leans more towards being motivated in part from a failing trade war with China, not based on a real threat.
Here let me put it this way. Go to tianenman square and make a speech about it. You know you'll die in China. You knew that 10 years ago. And things just got worse.
But if you don't see something different about illegal immigrants detained in America, and what China is known to do... Then there's simply something morally wrong with you.
The USA imprisons a way higher % of our population without trial than the Chinese do. Check the plea bargain stats. Is it China's place to try and police our internal problems?
Since when did putting millions of ethnic or political minorities in death camps become synonymous with imprisonment for crimes actually committed. You know what you get when you get imprisoned in America? Food, warmth, and lawyer and a judge!
I'm not saying being imprisoned is good. But this level of reverse whataboutism is mind killing.
I'd suggest reading some Chinese history, and also a bit about the current plea bargain disaster in the USA, if you think all of those people actually got due process.
As far as us being world police and telling other nations how to manage their affairs.. I'm against it. The Chinese government has done a lot of good and a lot of bad. Let's worry about our domestic problems first.
We should continue to trade, keep the peace, and continue the amazing 30-year-run the world has had since the end of the cold war. Starting another one would cause a lot of harm.
October, China ups the rhetoric https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/china-vows-defend-tai...
January, China ups the rhetoric more. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/world/asia/xi-jinping-tai...
Taiwan is a military ally of the USA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally
And then immediately after this the govt said travel there is risky.
If China tries to invade Taiwan to take it back, the USA must go to war or the entire alliance network on top of which world peace was constructed will lose its reputation. For our grandchildrens' futures lest NATO collapse (because why contribute if the USA won't defend you), going to war with China to deny them Taiwan might be the only option.
Shit is more serious than you think. War is brewing. Right now.
...And all other times. The entire history of the US was built on an entire group of people being legally “un-personed” for purely economic reasons. Are you sure it’s this phenomena you find troubling, or is it just who’s being targeted today? I’m trying to be charitable, yet I’m struggling to frame your comment in another way.
Not purely economic. There were ideological reasons used as well.
Are you sure it’s this phenomena you find troubling, or is it just who’s being targeted today?
The troubling part, is that the population who historically had the rights, and practiced the exercise of them is now giving them up, spreading the narrative that they don't matter, and trying to take them away from others through de-facto power or intimidation. (Which has nothing to do with indelible characteristics, and only has to do with the status of citizenship.)
I’m trying to be charitable, yet I’m struggling to frame your comment in another way.
This is precisely the language the "un-personing" perpetrators use to intimidate people into silence and giving up their rights. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
No.
It seems to me you’re falling into the same trap of exaggerated outrage that’s so in vogue
Basically, I'm making this observation about you.
It is very difficult to engage with people who do this.
Basically, I'm making this observation about you.
The travel warning has nothing to do with uighur camps. Americans and Canadians aren't Uighur and aren't part of that conflict. It's like saying nations would issue travel warnings about the US because of fear of drone bombs.
This is an escalating tit-for-tat related to the Huawei CFO. And all too many are just so certain that the place they were born is just so righteous.. it's probably going to continue to escalate.
The Huawei thing just seems so avoidable. We renege on a deal with Iran that the Iranians were honoring, we start a trade war with China for mostly domestic-political reasons, and then we lump the 2 together into a justification for borderline-kidnapping of their citizen in Canada?
Whatever happened to getting together at the table and negotiating about this stuff?
My, unfortunately cynical, takeaway is that no matter how “woke” we like to think we have become as a global society, everything still eventually boils down to might makes right.