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Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by christophilus on Sunday December 30, 2018 @08:00AM (#18788964)
> I'm guessing companies assumed he'd leave in 3-5 years and didn't want to invest the time.

3-5 years is a pretty long stretch in this industry. The longest I’ve ever held a job is just barely 5 years. Most tech employers— at least the smart ones— know the average bounce rate in the industry is high. Older employees tend to value stability, for various reasons. So I don’t buy your argument.

If there’s a reluctance to hire older devs, I suspect it’s because they have higher salaries and maybe because they are (inaccurately) perceived as being unlikely to know or want to learn new tech.

Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by ghaff on Sunday December 30, 2018 @09:41AM (#18789369)
>3-5 years is a pretty long stretch in this industry.

That's a rather SV-centric view. Otherwise 5-10 years (or longer) is quite normal, including in tech. At many companies, a bunch of 3 year stints for a job candidate is something of a red flag.

Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by christophilus on Sunday December 30, 2018 @02:13PM (#18790765)
I’ve never worked in SV. Only small enterprises, Microsoft, a handful of local startups, and one SV company. The SV company had above average retention compared to most of the non SV places I’ve worked. The 3 year range has been pretty much the norm in my experience (20 years or so). 5 years has been on the high end in every company I’ve worked for. It is anecdotal, but it is what I’ve seen consistently across markets both large and small.
Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by pdimitar on Sunday December 30, 2018 @04:07PM (#18791345)
> That's a rather SV-centric view.

Trust me, it isn't. It's valid for every organization I've ever been in or consulted for (15+). I am in Eastern Europe and spent 9-10 years in offices, and the other 7 after that it has been all remote. I've seen a lot of companies for both consulting and normal 5-to-9 work.

While the reasons why most people don't stick around above 2-3 years are many and varied (and some are frankly quite stupid) to me it does seem to be the norm.

But I'll readily admit we all live in our own bubbles and confirmation biases. So I'm just sharing an additional anecdote here.

Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by ghaff on Sunday December 30, 2018 @05:47PM (#18791801)
Fair enough. I’ve worked mostly in the US Northeast and while I’ve worked in companies across a wide range of sizes my observations are probably flavored by a lot of big firms who have been partners and clients. I would have said 5-10 years was more the norm among people I work with but then I probably tend to disproportionately work with people who are more senior in their organizations.
Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by sureaboutthis on Sunday December 30, 2018 @08:07AM (#18788996)
The neighbor I mention in my other post told me he'd work for $30K if they offered insurance and he'd stay for at least five years. As a software engineer, I know he can run code rings around anyone.
Re:How the Valley treats experienced people by tonyedgecombe on Sunday December 30, 2018 @08:14AM (#18789022)
Yes, the salary requirements thing isn't very convincing to me. At the end of the day a low salary is better than no salary. Also people approaching their sixties will have most likely paid off their mortgage and their children will have left home.