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Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by maxxxxx on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:10PM (#18765356)
Just this week I read a story about Henry Worsley who died trying the same thing: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/12/the-white-dark.... After reading, I wonder if you have to a certain level of insanity for doing something like this.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by FPGAhacker on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:43PM (#18765545)
I don't know, but it's an interesting thought. What drives someone do to this? I'm in awe of it. It seems to me that it has to be tied to finding meaning in life one way or another.

I have to wonder though, how long does it take for the afterglow of such a massive accomplishment to wear off and to start asking yourself "what now?"

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by maxxxxx on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:50PM (#18765582)
I have the same thought when I see presidential campaigns. I don't think a balanced person would put themselves and their families through that. You have to be some kind of crazy to do this. Maybe we need these extreme people, but I am not sure we should take them as something to aspire to.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by samatman on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:34AM (#18767588)
I think about this a lot.

We would have better leadership if it wasn’t such an objectively terrible job.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by arethuza on Thursday December 27, 2018 @04:23AM (#18768484)
That's an interesting point about Henry Worsley - he was clearly an excellent leader but he couldn't rise in the UK military (and I suspect this is the case with many organisations) because above a certain point the job is about politics rather than leadership.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by avip on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:41PM (#18765866)
There's an interview with Alex Honnold where he says he was already thinking about his next challenge during the last stretch of El Capitan.

I personally can't understand these ongoing Bernoulli experiments, surely something in these people's mind differs profoundly from mine.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by weej on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:38PM (#18766531)
They do - their amygdala.

"fMRI testing at the Medical University of South Carolina tilted the scales toward precisely that explanation — an underactive amygdala, not a negligent mother — by confirming that Honnold’s fear circuitry really does fire with less vigor than most."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/09/opinion/el-capitan-my-el-...

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by ohazi on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:48PM (#18766583)
Honnold seemed pretty down to earth during his last few interviews. He seemed very willing to acknowledge that he doesn't have a good idea of what might be next for him, and that El Cap may end up being his last "big" challenge. Granted, his perspective may have changed with a little more time for reflection.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by wallflower on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @10:29PM (#18767029)
If you have not yet seen "Free Solo", it is an interesting movie because it delves into the relationship between him and his "I just want to be happy" girlfriend which touches on some of his mindset to pursue perfection.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by eismcc on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:10PM (#18765678)
Having been part of the Ironman community for a while now, I can say endurance folks are definitely different than your average person. Often very humble, they like meaningful, big, challenging goals that redefine “normal.”
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by maxxxxx on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:17PM (#18765715)
Do they get a kick out of overcoming suffering,.doing something really difficult or what drives them? In the end they don't achieve anything useful. I can relate to it somehow. When I did kickboxing I sometimes wondered why I let myself get beat up for no money, fame or any other reward. Never really understood my motivation other than that I had it.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by landryraccoon on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @10:29PM (#18767031)
Is it really that weird? We are all going to die eventually someday. If you want to risk your life doing something you love I think that’s your call, as long as you don’t risk hurting other people in the process.

I mean, what do you think you keep after you die anyway? Does it really matter in the end if you sat at a desk for 40 years and then died quietly in your bed as opposed to falling off a mountain at 40something?

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by code_duck on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:27AM (#18767812)
It depends what you wish to accomplish in your life and who you have depending on you.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by marssaxman on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:21PM (#18771783)
Seems like a good argument against having people depend on you!
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by code_duck on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:15PM (#18773510)
I have avoided having people depend on me all my life, because I felt I wasn’t up to it. It turns out I’m not, due to my health. But it is a way that some people give meaning to their lives.

That’s the decision that’s leading to declining birthrate in western nations, isn’t it? Why give up your freedom and increase your stress by creating obligation by having children?

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by eismcc on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:52AM (#18767668)
Everyone I know has different reasons. Some are more altruistic than others. Sometimes it’s done in honor of others who cannot do it, eg disabled, fallen vets, etc. Sometimes just because people want to be more than a desk jockey.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by NikolaeVarius on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:33PM (#18765814)
Because it's interesting.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by ForHackernews on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:44PM (#18765905)
Is it interesting? It sounds mind-numbingly dull trudging across 921 miles of ice.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by tjr225 on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:50AM (#18767655)
You can't be serious? We could reduce almost any minutae of life to the uninteresting...

Challeninging yourself, and doing something unique is interesting. I can hardly believe I'm wasting my time typing this out.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by dogecoinbase on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:25PM (#18766455)
On the (unfortunately) few, rare occasions I've actually pushed myself to my limits (physical, mental, emotional, or otherwise), I've felt more of a sense of accomplishment and a drive to push further, in any of those domains, not just the one I pushed in, than I've ever had before. I certainly wouldn't claim to have anything figured out in the realm except on a personal level, but for me, every time I achieve something that seemed unachievable it's like it unlocks something in every other part of my life.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by setr on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @10:11PM (#18766945)
I think the interesting part is that any extreme scenario requires very specific and likely innovative solutions — its a difficult optimization problem that any engineer would recognize as strangely santisfying. Actually executing the task with your own life at risk is outside of the standard engineering experience, but to have both must make success outstandingly satisfying
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by gameswithgo on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:06PM (#18766029)
well you go up and down some mountains, see strange ice formations that don't exist anywhere at all, get to tweet out sappy tweets every evening, go where no/few men/women have gone before and all.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by maxxxxx on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:37PM (#18766202)
You make it sound like a nice stroll in the park, not something that exhausts you to and beyond and your limit and tries to.kill and harm you every day.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by newnewpdro on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:24AM (#18767802)
It's interesting to explore, it's interesting to endure, it's interesting to experience new physical, mental, and emotional states of being conferred by these unique circumstances.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by staplers on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:43PM (#18766232)
More interesting than browsing HN 365 days of the year..
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by code_duck on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:26AM (#18767809)
Based on experience, I feel like somewhere around mile 250 I’d be wishing I was at home browsing HN and wondering why I ever left.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by staplers on Friday December 28, 2018 @04:52PM (#18779743)
How do people like you even get out of bed? Have you never felt accomplishment in doing something challenging?
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by ForHackernews on Friday December 28, 2018 @07:58PM (#18780887)
"accomplishment" != "interesting"

I'm proud when I set a new PR time running, but it's not exactly interesting.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by barce on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:16PM (#18767266)
If you look at the history of it, it puts him in the same league as the polar explorers of the "heroic age." I think the what now part is two parts: write a book about it; do the motivational speaker circuit.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by badrabbit on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:06AM (#18767469)
What now? Time for sun cost fallacy

Thinking a lot does that. It's not just searching for meaning of life and a higher purpose but also realizing how this is the only life you get to have and it is very short. I'd compare people who do this to suiciders,they've both contemplated their current lives intolerable and found a way out: One way is through it,the other is around and both routes are one-way.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by kakarot on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:23AM (#18767548)
Sun cost fallacy is when I don't put on SPF protection thinking it won't be that bad out on the beach today.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by badrabbit on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:11AM (#18769834)
Ha! Nice one,will fix typo if it lets me.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by tertius on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:42AM (#18768921)
It's all about the process not the end goal.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by justinator on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:17AM (#18767517)
What drives someone do to this?

It's fun.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by beefield on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:12AM (#18768839)
> I wonder if you have to a certain level of insanity for doing something like this.

My assumption is that people want and need some level of "excitement"[1] to feel like living a meaningful life. Say, in scale 1-10, if you only get exposure to level 1 excitement, you kill yourself to avoid a boring life, occasional level 5 keeps your life interesting, 7-8 starts to be so uncomfortable that you rather avoid and 10 is so much that you rather kill yourself than expose yourself to this level of excitement.

Now, the problem is that same things give very different levels of excitement. There are people for whom game of Monopoly is level 5 excitement. And there are people for whom game of Monopoly is solid level 1 excitement.

With this model you see why some people decide to take risks some other find outright stupid or insane. So next time you think someone is doing something insanely risky, you might want to think how fulfilling your life would be if the things you do to get emotions would be stripped from you before calling the persons with pejorative adjectives...

[1]no, I have no good definition for this word

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by msiyer on Thursday December 27, 2018 @07:21AM (#18769064)
This model is good.

To me, the whole point of doing something like this is that there is no point. It matters, at the moment, to the guy doing it and that is all that matters.

A couple of years back, I rode my motorcycle for 18 hours with only fuel breaks. 8 hours of the ride was in 40+ degree Celsius heat and the next 10 hours I had to endure the monsoons. I loved the whole experience. What did I gain from it? In the grand scheme of things, nothing. Will I do it again? Yes, already planning another trip.

Life seems pointless to me. I just try to have some fun along the way.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by enraged_camel on Thursday December 27, 2018 @08:20AM (#18769257)
>>To me, the whole point of doing something like this is that there is no point. It matters, at the moment, to the guy doing it and that is all that matters.

Extreme adversity can be a opportunity for tremendous amounts of learning and personal growth. Some people value that.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by antisthenes on Thursday December 27, 2018 @03:40PM (#18772458)
Exactly. The only meaning in life is one that we create for ourselves.

If crossing the Antarctic has meaning for you, by all means, go ahead! But just in case, be prepared ;)

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by badideaprojects on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:31PM (#18766489)
Lou Rudd is also currently making the same journey, partly in memory of Henry Worsley who he knew.

https://m.facebook.com/louis.rudd.7

Him and Colin set off on the same day, 1 mile apart on the ice.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by ryannevius on Thursday December 27, 2018 @04:12AM (#18768437)
There's a live map of his progress too: https://z6z.co/spirit-of-endurance
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by basementcat on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @09:09PM (#18766707)
This level of insanity is not as foreign as you might think. The feeling of accomplishment I get from climbing a mountain, finishing a marathon or a long bike trip is comparable to the feeling I get after taping out a chip, shipping a major software release or delivering first-of-a-kind hardware to a customer.

For some of us, getting Tetris to work in Conway's Game of Life is insanity. For other people, walking across a continent is insanity.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by tootie on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @10:22PM (#18766996)
Except that guy literally died. Nobody dies playing on a computer and it's pretty rare to die from running or biking in civilization.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by Someone on Thursday December 27, 2018 @05:09AM (#18768643)
Google ”died playing on a computer”. I got many hits showing “Nobody dies playing on a computer“ isn’t true. Examples:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tragic-teen-gamer-d...

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/19/world/taiwan-gamer-death/...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction#Deaths

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by gameshot911 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:05PM (#18767216)
Often higher risk goes hand-in-hand with higher reward. It's all on a spectrum.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by tootie on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:25PM (#18767296)
There's absolutely zero reward for crossing the Antarctic alone and very high risk of death.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by brailsafe on Thursday December 27, 2018 @03:28AM (#18768282)
I can think of a few rewards. Being the first to do something is personally rewarding, but the notoriety is also totally bankable.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by code_duck on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:28AM (#18767816)
People kind of do, since the lifestyle of sitting down 18 hours a day at a computer is very unhealthy.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by tootie on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @10:19PM (#18766985)
I read that and just thought this guy is a moron. There's no discovery, no profit, just vanity.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by deepGem on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:39PM (#18767359)
That's way too harsh to describe a man's personal quest for adventure. It's not just vanity. You have no idea how many young minds have been influenced by this adventure. How many potential new startups will come about because someone somewhere out there thinks 'well this guy just gave up his life trying to cross the Antartic, what stops me from doing something perhaps tiny in comparison, but monumental in value, or something that I can undertake'. This is true of all adventurers who seek to accomplish something beyond perceived abilities - free diving, climbing k2 or summitting Mt.Meru on the shark fin route.

The indirect benefits of such expeditions have not been measured. If someone did, I'm quite certain, a ton of benefits will crop up.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by jpatokal on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:44AM (#18767626)
I'd agree but if you were talking about going to Mars or something, but for this particular quest, that seems a bit much. Just look at this list of "first person ever to do X from Y to Z" since 2000:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions#...

I'd liken this more to climbing Mt. Everest: challenging and personally rewarding, sure, but of ever-diminishing inspirational value to the rest of the world.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by watwut on Thursday December 27, 2018 @04:29AM (#18768511)
I understand the appeal of such adventures and excitement that goes with it, but lets not pretend they are doing something useful. There is no real value in people free diving, climbing k2 etc. People do it for themselves and that is fine as far as it goes and interesting.

It can inspire people to train a bit or visit nature or something of the sort. If watching expedition makes you start startup, then it is odd as caring about business makes physical training harder.

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by badideaprojects on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:45AM (#18767630)
You cannot stay on the summit forever; you have to come down again. So why bother in the first place? Just this: What is above knows what is below, but what is below does not know what is above. One climbs, one sees. One descends, one sees no longer, but one has seen. There is an art of conducting oneself in the lower regions by the memory of what one saw higher up. When one can no longer see, one can at least still know.

Rene Daumal

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by alpinemeadow on Thursday December 27, 2018 @04:44AM (#18768562)
An excellent book: Mount Analogue.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by sharkweek on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @10:39PM (#18767080)
Yeah, maybe. But I also think it’s cool to see humans push the boundaries on physical and mental limitations in these types of ways.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by tootie on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:23PM (#18767290)
That's why I watch pro football. Honestly I'll bet there's quite a few people who have the physical and mental stamina to cross the Antarctic, just nobody else wants to.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by dh5 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:03PM (#18767204)
Those are harsh words. Great feats don't necessarily involve discovery or profit.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by jnurmine on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:07AM (#18769803)
I thought it was a real adventure, an extreme form of hiking in a very extreme and cold environment, as well as an exercise in managing risks. I have the impression that he did it just to see if it can be done, as a kind of personal adventure, as a way to win a victory over himself.

I recently read an interview of a retired ex-paratrooper who lost his friend to Piteraq in Greenland (similar katabatic winds exist at Antarctica), the tent broke, exposing the people and they froze to death. With winds up to ca. 80 m/s and double-digit subzero temperatures, the wind chill effect is insane and a new shelter must be up within minutes.

It was a dangerous undertaking, no doubt. But then again so was Thor Heyerdahl with his raft, and Apollo 11 with the flight to the Moon, and so on.

Tip: if you want to concretely experience extreme cold, and the sheer brutalness of it, look up a cryotherapy room. -110 C or so for a few minutes while wearing swimming gear (and some cover for the extremities) felt like a hopeless, prolonged open ice swimming without the immediate endorphin rush (which eventually did come sometime later).

Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by arethuza on Thursday December 27, 2018 @05:28AM (#18768698)
It would be a sad and cheerless world if the only motivations were discovery and profit.
Re:Colin O’Brady Completes Crossing of Antarctica with Final... by s_y_n_t_a_x on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:07AM (#18767728)
What have you done?