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Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by prostoalex on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:00PM (#18755825)
In theory cheaper to build (laying a dumb pre-manufactured pipe versus electrified rail) and cheaper to operate (build redundant vacuum stations). But yes, the main value prop is for areas with cheap (free?) electricity.
Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by pojzon on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:10PM (#18755847)
> laying a dumb pre-manufactured pipe

Which is extremely expensive because it has to withstand huge forces trying to crush it like a an empty coke can..

Hyperloop is neighter "cheap" or "easy" to create. Its approx. 10 times as expensive to operate than "Mad-Lev" trains and 100000x as deadly if something goes wrong.

Malfunction in electric train means that it has to stop.

Malfunction in Hyperloop means all passangers are dead.

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Watch Thunderf00t rant about hyperloop and read his sources. This project is nothing more than a scam to fetch investors money.

Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by shookness on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:46PM (#18755957)
>>This project is nothing more than a scam to fetch investors money.

I'm unaware of Musk asking for any particular investment in a Hyperloop project. Most Hyperloop projects are independent parties working on the idea on their own volition. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by auslander on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:54PM (#18755984)
You're wrong when you assumed it is Musk' scam, it is not. But the idea of hyperloop is used by many as a bait to scam away investors money.
Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by shookness on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @12:01AM (#18756004)
Any investor should know what they're getting into when investing in a high risk experiment like "Hyperloop". I'm just calling B.S. on it's some sort of scam.
Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by ksec on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:49PM (#18755967)
Not to mention we have a working real world implementation of Maglev running at 550 - 600Km/hr in Japan. Not as fast as the theoretical 1000Km/Hr in hyperloop, but one is still in R&D while the other is actually running.

That is until Elon can proof he can manufacture the Tube much cheaper than layering the Mag-Lev track.

Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by prostoalex on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:21PM (#18755876)
> Hyperloop is neighter "cheap" or "easy" to create. Its approx. 10 times as expensive to operate than "Mad-Lev" trains

Is this across the board? I'd imagine the cost estimates would differ depending on where the line would be located - on raised platforms, below ground, or at ground level e.g. a highway divider lane? Or is Hyperloop impractical for pretty much all of the use cases?

Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by Rotten194 on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @01:02AM (#18756192)
Well hyperloop will be more expensive any place maglev is more expensive. If maglev costs $x to build above ground, and $5x to build underground, then hyperloop would cost $10x and $50x, would it not? (disregarding what the actual scaling factor is)
Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by Robotbeat on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @01:06AM (#18756211)
Thunderf00t is not a good source for hyperloop.
Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by Tade0 on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @06:34AM (#18757030)
Thunderf00t is not a good source for a great deal of things.

IIRC his field is chemistry, yet he explained the batteries vs fuel problem in a wilfully ignorant way.

Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by macspoofing on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @08:20AM (#18757299)
Where did he go wrong in his criticism of Hyperloop?
Re:Hyperloop startup Arrivo is shutting down as workers are ... by dehrmann on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @01:28AM (#18756260)
All of the recent Elon Musk companies have been economically questionable if not for government subsidies.