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Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by mac01021 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:49AM (#18740186)
How much did that company recover of the files?

Is it possible that tan deliberately deleted them in such a way that they could be recovered forensically? That might save him from getting caught, and his "handler" overseas could even have recommended it.

But who knows... This article doesn't provide enough information to make a good guess at what was going on.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by baybal2 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:53AM (#18740196)
1. He surrendered USB sticks he used inside the company upon resignation.

2. They found confidential files there, but nothing he had no right to access to

3. They found out that he deleted "weird" files the day before he quit the company.

He could not have ever exfiltrated that data to begin with as he gave the drive back to Philips.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by jamescostian on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:01AM (#18741066)
Tangent: somehow every single one of your comments was downvoted, even this non-inflammatory, informational one where you replied to someone and they ended up agreeing with you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18740217

I upvoted a few of your comments that were clearly non-inflammatory and useful. But I'd like to tell everyone who's blindly downvoting you, please read comments before downvoting them, instead of just downvoting everything you can that's tied to the person you disagree with.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by burfog on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:19PM (#18741751)
Well, unvote them, because this makes no sense: "He could not have ever exfiltrated that data to begin with as he gave the drive back"

Think about it. The USB device was for transferring data to something else. That might have been a personal device with a cellular data plan.

Sure, he gave back the USB drive. He didn't physically take that to China, or intend to do so. Those files were on it for a reason though, and that reason is transferring them to something that gets the data to China.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by jamescostian on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:16PM (#18743395)
In the post you're replying to, I included a link that does not contain the sentence you quoted. In fact, that link shows the person making a valid correction. If you read it, you'll see why I upvoted it.

The entire point of the comment I made (which you replied to) is not that baybal2 is correct (in fact, I have no idea/opinion of whether they are correct about the defendent being innocent). The point is that ad hominem attacks through downvotes are a bad thing.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by scarejunba on Sunday December 23, 2018 @03:54AM (#18745143)
PG has maintained from the beginning that HN comments need not be upvoted for civility alone. “I disagree therefore I downvote” is valid etiquette on HN. I’m not going to stop doing that.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by hnmonkey on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:08PM (#18741702)
I imagine his comments have been downvoted because he's cherrypicking information from the article to defend the man across multiple comments. See the parent comment to your comment where he ignores that he did access and download files he had no right to access and instead states exactly the opposite according to the facts (in point 2).
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by reaperducer on Saturday December 22, 2018 @12:43PM (#18741562)
They found confidential files there, but nothing he had no right to access to

You may have missed this part of the criminal complaint:

“Tan's supervisor confirmed that nothing in the downloaded files was within Tan's area of responsibility. Further Company A confirmed, through Tan's supervisor, Tan did not have a work related need to access or download the restricted files.”

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by mac01021 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:59AM (#18740213)
I'm not saying he stole data or even did anything wrong.

But he could certainly have copied data off the USB before deleting it.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by baybal2 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:06AM (#18740234)
WELL, the main question: WHY THE HECK did he report on himself??? The charge pretty much says that he voluntarily contacted his supervisor and asked what to do with that USB stick.

And there, the parallel with Micron case gets more startling: the alleged "spy" was the very man who said that his cellhpone was missing. Then the police found the cellphone in his coworkers locker. The coworker accidentally put his phone into her back along with papers on the table. Then the police searched his phone, and found out that "he happened to be a spy" on very similar circumstances.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by arcticfox on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:37AM (#18740507)
> WHY THE HECK did he report on himself???

I mean, he deleted the files first. It's reasonable that he thought that was sufficient; given the code I've seen from some scientists, scientist != computer expert.

The innocent explanation is that he was cleaning up company property before returning it, but I expect that will play out in court.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by daviesliu on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:18AM (#18740885)
I have done the things before. Before returning the work laptop to employer on the last day, I cleaned out all the company stuff to left my personal things (this is my only laptop with my personal stuff in it), then move them out and clean them finally.

Is this common?

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by CydeWeys on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:40AM (#18740974)
I've always done this. I never leave any important business files on my local PC, for obvious reasons. But there's all sorts of personal stuff on there (mostly from Web browsing). So nuke it all before turning it in. They're going to re-image it before giving it to the next person anyway.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by ams6110 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @12:16PM (#18741433)
Yes I have always DBANed my work computer on the last day of a job. Haven't done that since SSDs so not sure it is as effective anymore.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by baybal2 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:04AM (#18740608)
> It's reasonable that he thought that was sufficient;

But aren't it? He surrendered his flash drive. You can't do anything with it if it is not in your possession... What do you think he was supposed to do with it???

And he had an option to not to do so, or moreover, just fly to China without a notice (remember the case of a hedge fund boy who allegedly "stole keys to the kingdom" and then warned his employer that he is leaving the company on a short notice...)

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by wildmusings on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:26AM (#18740676)
You can obviously copy files off of a usb drive before giving it back. I don’t know anything about this case, and I’m not accusing this guy of anything, but your line of argument is wrong.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by baybal2 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:37AM (#18740731)
The point I want to convey is that if he could've done anything with it (like copying files somewhere else,) he had no point of ever attempting to do any trickery (giving a USB stick with erased files) invariably of circumstances and technicalities.

And there is no proof so far of him doing that (otherwise it will be put in bold letter on his charge sheet.)

That's nothing less than an estoppel condition in hands of a skilled lawyer.

But you can expect that prosecutors will now be trying their best to made up, and attempting to keep him behind bars for the duration of the court proceedings.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by wildmusings on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:38AM (#18740739)
>The point I want to convey is that if he could've done anything with it (like copying files somewhere else,) he had no point of ever attempting to do any trickery (giving a USB stick with erased files) invariably of circumstances and technicalities.

“The perfect crook would have covered his tracks better” is not persuasive. The perfect crook wouldn’t get caught. People who do bad things are just as fallible as people who don’t.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by baybal2 on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:55AM (#18740814)
Lets go for logical inflexion here.

If he did not commit a crime, would he not do so, and this be the most normal thing he can do?

The answer is yes

Now there is no distinction in between a normal employee leaving the company and a criminal following your logic.

Every time I see people going for such argument, I almost feel my sight getting dark, but people who can shove such line of thought into a legal argument in a criminal case are found left and right in the West.

I would've liked to put much stronger terms here.

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by perennate on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:26AM (#18741181)
If all of the evidence the FBI has is what was in the SCMP article, then there is no way the jury is going to come to a guilty verdict.

But it is doubtful that the SCMP has squeezed information out of the FBI before the court case. Once the court case happens we will see all the evidence that the FBI has gathered, which probably demonstrates much more clearly that he is guilty. It doesn't make sense to discuss hypotheticals until we at least have the evidence.

It also doesn't make sense to fear getting convicted based on deleting some files unless he is actually convicted on this flimsy evidence. But again, this is unlikely -- if you would not convict someone based solely on this evidence, then why do you think anyone else would decide on a guilty verdict?

(Keep in mind that the information in the affidavit [1] "is intended to show merely that there is sufficient probable cause for the requested warrant" and doesn't include all of the evidence that they have.)

[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1122851/downl...

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by pnwalien2 on Sunday December 23, 2018 @01:05PM (#18747393)
Could you please disclose your country of origin & residence.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by linkregister on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:48AM (#18741283)
Oh well, a suspect did something illogical, we can't prosecute. The case must be dismissed, because it wasn't a perfect crime.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by hnmonkey on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:11PM (#18741715)
Yeah, that line of thinking is absurd. He probably got nervous right before he left the company and gave them the USB after hastily trying to delete the files. In which case, the parent commenter would seem to imply that he should be let go because he got nervous after stealing things he shouldn't have access to.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by perennate on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:21AM (#18741155)
The article is from SCMP, a newspaper in Hong Kong. It's unclear what the source of the information is and it's very unlikely that the SCMP has the same information that the FBI has (as stated in the affidavit [1], the evidence in the affidavit "is intended to show merely that there is sufficient probable cause for the requested warrant").

As the Department of Justice statement [2] says:

> A criminal complaint is merely an allegation, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

There will be a court case where the FBI will lay out all the evidence they have and the jury will decide whether or not the evidence is sufficient to demonstrate that he is guilty.

The court case has not happened yet so it doesn't make sense to jump to conclusions without hearing the evidence first.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1122851/downl... [2] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-national-charged-comm...

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by linkregister on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:52AM (#18741298)
Sure it makes sense to jump to conclusions, that's why we go on HN! ;)

Seriously though, it's interesting to discuss this case. Clearly we don't have all the information. Some of us may change our minds later. Right now, the evidence that is out there isn't convincing on its own. It's okay to point that out!

Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by perennate on Saturday December 22, 2018 @12:01PM (#18741346)
Yeah, I agree that it's good to point that out. But I felt that some people might've been losing sight that more evidence would likely be presented in court.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by sundbry on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:32PM (#18741799)
He could easily have exfiltrated the data without ever leaving the premises. All he would have to do is is walk into a lab room with an unsecured terminal to upload the files, or used his phone to upload the drive, there aren't hundreds of ways to pass the data off once it's on a thumb drive.
Re:Chinese battery expert is charged with stealing trade sec... by the_duke on Saturday December 22, 2018 @02:08PM (#18741974)
You do realize that there is this crazy new thing now: copying files to a different drive