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Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by patrickaljord on Friday December 21, 2018 @07:29AM (#18732925)
> If a centralized company wants to roll out electronic payments through its services it can just, you know, do that.

Not it can't. There's a world outside of the US where whole businesses run on WhatsApp. There is no solution, simply none today that exists to allow anyone from any country to register and start making and receiving payments. Not Stripe, not Paypal, none. If Facebook can deliver something that can then be exchanged for real dollars, that could be huge. If a person in a small village in Peru can just start receiving money from another person in another country and that the only barrier of entry is having WhatsApp installed on your phone, this could get ridiculously successful overnight.

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by gregschlom on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:49AM (#18734021)
And how does that person in that small village in Peru converts their WhatsApp coins, or whatever they are called, into actual money?

And if the answer is: they do a transaction with someone else who wants to trade their money for WhatsApp coins then again, why do you need the blockchain versus a centralized WhatsApp currency.

Blockchain is a solution when there cannot be trust. If I trust WhatsApp, and you trust WhatsApp, and WhatsApp has a money exchange feature, we don't need the blockchain.

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by the_clarence on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:18AM (#18734257)
It could be about the legality of aetting a bank in every country and figuring out rate exchange
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by geofft on Friday December 21, 2018 @03:40PM (#18736437)
Why would it be more legal / legally easier to set up a service in Peru that turns WhatsDubloons into soles and vice versa, affiliated with a multinational company that converts WhatsDubloons into USD, than an entity that directly transfers soles and USD?
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by the_clarence on Saturday December 22, 2018 @04:31AM (#18739830)
Because these crypto exchanges already exist
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by pavel_lishin on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:52AM (#18734039)
> If Facebook can deliver something that can then be exchanged for real dollars, that could be huge.

There's absolutely zero reason for that something to be blockchain-based. They can just release Facebucks, a private fiat currency that's just backed by ... drumroll please... a relational database.

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by CoolGuySteve on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:36AM (#18734397)
You mean like WeChat’s Yuan balances? The app where it’s extremely difficult for Americans to buy currency but that is ubiquitous throughout China?

It’s almost like none of these middle-brow dismissals have ever actually experienced a payment problem in another country.

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by geofft on Friday December 21, 2018 @03:31PM (#18736353)
Perhaps your better-positioned brow could clarify exactly how the involvement of a blockchain would solve WeChat's problem and make it easy for Americans to buy in?

In particular, if it could be done, why isn't WeChat doing it? And if WeChat can't do it, why can WhatsApp do it?

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by jamespo on Friday December 21, 2018 @07:45AM (#18732980)
I presume the point was why do FB / WA need to use the blockchain?
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by bsaul on Friday December 21, 2018 @07:52AM (#18733004)
because you still want the currency to have value if facebook closes one day, or stop supporting the idea. Facebook would endorse the currency, but the currency ecosystem would have a life of its own.

At least that’s my guess..

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by solarkraft on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:43AM (#18733222)
Why would Facebook have any interest in this? Public trust? Is the public that smart?
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by bsaul on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:52PM (#18737427)
my guess is if facebook is working on its own blockchain currency, the algorithm describing the currency would be a bit different from bitcoin or ethereum. Contrary to what you read sometimes, those cryptocurrencies have properties that are not desirable for a real world currency ( aka inflationary and very poor number of transaction per seconds capacity).
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by smileysteve on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:24AM (#18733823)
If bitcoin and eth don't have a stable value in 2018, how does WhatsAppCoin sans Facebook guarantee have to stay stable?
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by ralusek on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:45AM (#18733990)
I would imagine because actual commerce is built around it, rather than its valuation being mostly derived from speculative investment as a value hold.
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by geofft on Friday December 21, 2018 @03:34PM (#18736379)
Is anyone actually more skeptical in the long-term future of Facebook than of any altcoin?

(Remember that in order to prevent double-spend attacks, you need to ensure that nobody—and no potential mining pool—is sitting on more computing power than your network has. That's feasible for a single proof-of-work currency; it's technically impossble with even two unless one outcompetes and kills the other, and certainly practically impossible for a new one at this point. And if you're not using proof-of-work, what stability does the coin have once the corporate backer is gone?)

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by UncleEntity on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:40AM (#18734454)
...or it could be they want to literally print money and have people use it in everyday commerce so they become a de facto Central Bank.

If it were merely an account one used to pay for things then they just get to take a small percentage in transaction fees but with a blockchain they can create a bunch of FaceCoins, sell them on the open market and if things go south with their cryptocurrency laugh all the way to the bank counting their billions.

Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by zuron7 on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:38AM (#18733927)
India came up with UPI for this exact reason. Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Whatsapp Payments, etc. are all built on UPI in India. UPI is interoperable with all apps. So you can use whatever app you prefer. ie Whatsapp Payements can send money to someone using Google Pay directly.
Re:Facebook Is Developing a Cryptocurrency for WhatsApp Tran... by scottlocklin on Friday December 21, 2018 @12:34PM (#18734849)
This is probably the use-case. There's other obvious usecases as well; advertising, p2p loans, annoying the Winkelvoss entity, etc.

Since I said no even to an interview, it's hard to say what the parameters are for their thing, but I hope they fail.