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Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by u801e on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:47PM (#18728975)
> What I find a lot of people miss when comparing Slack to IRC, is that not everyone using Slack is a developer.

I know plenty of non-technical people who chatted on IRC who were not developers. They just used the mIRC client on windows to do that. They also managed to configure their email and news clients to send and read email and browse usenet.

I simply don't understand where the idea of needing a technical background came from for using something like IRC.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by ry-n on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:29PM (#18729305)
> I know plenty of non-technical people who chatted on IRC who were not developers > I simply don't understand where the idea of needing a technical background came from for using something like IRC.

You don't have to be a developer but you do need a level of technical background higher than that of the average computer user. There are plenty of tech-savvy, non-developers who can get up and running with things like IRC. There are plenty more non-technical users who can't. Or at least wouldn't given the learning curve time commitment.

I'm the only person in my family who would be able to sign on to IRC in under an hour whereas they'd all be able to have slack up and running in a matter of minutes.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by u801e on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:57PM (#18729518)
> You don't have to be a developer but you do need a level of technical background higher than that of the average computer user.

Unless the technical skill of the average computer user has decreased substantially in the last 10 to 15 years, that shouldn't really be the case.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by sotojuan on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:07PM (#18729602)
It has. Everyone uses computers now for less technical tasks, and some pretty much only use their phone or tablet.
Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by gsich on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:53PM (#18730634)
Time to learn something then.
Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by jackvalentine on Friday December 21, 2018 @12:20AM (#18731569)
Sure... they learned Slack.
Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by gsich on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:16AM (#18733764)
Nothing to learn there.
Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by jackvalentine on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:13AM (#18740097)
I don’t think you realise how well you just made the case for using Slack instead of IRC or XMPP with that comment.
Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by gsich on Sunday December 23, 2018 @03:39PM (#18748174)
No. I expect a certain competence when using a computer. If this level of competence is not enough to even install a piece of software and configure the most basic settings, then this person should not own a PC, yet use one.

It's amazing that when it comes to computers, it is somehow acceptable to be dumb. It's acceptable to not learn new stuff. It's acceptable to not read in order to understand stuff. As can be read in the comments here.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by jackvalentine on Thursday December 27, 2018 @07:59PM (#18774045)
Do you want to be ‘right’, or actually have users?

The whole ethos of startups and Silicon Valley has been around finding a market for your product. If people don’t want to use it then you can’t blame anyone but yourself.

Feel free to chat with yourself using an ideologically pure system... it’ll be lonely though.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by rootkea on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:54AM (#18739358)
That's correct. Because it's the FLOSS devs who need to learn to empathize with the ordinary user.

Disclaimer - A FLOSS dev here.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by u801e on Saturday December 22, 2018 @12:00PM (#18741340)
> Because it's the FLOSS devs who need to learn to empathize with the ordinary user.

If you were talking about using these protocols over a telnet session, then I would be more inclined to agree with that statement, but just installing an application, entering a server name and account credentials (the latter of which aren't needed for IRC), and connecting isn't any more difficult than creating an account on slack and connecting by entering the address in the browser.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by jackvalentine on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:46PM (#18743224)
Have you ever worked a support role for an application?

Regular users have amazing blind spots. Also you’re not giving slack enough credit for their smooth onboarding process.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by u801e on Monday December 24, 2018 @05:46PM (#18754704)
> Regular users have amazing blind spots.

Of course, but I don't think that Slack has done a better job with this compared to previous solutions. In a lot of ways, it's worse given its performance issues. For example, I never experienced UI lag in a chat application until I used Slack (comparing it with UIs like a GUI IRC application, AIM, ICQ, MSN messenger, Yahoo messenger, Skype, etc). Second, auto-completion and search do not work like they do in previous chat applications (or other applications in general) due to infinite scroll and the default of doing a global search instead of just limiting it to the chat or group. Third, the fact that you're forced to join some channels because you were invited or can't leave a channel because you're the last one in it are other issues that come to mind.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by jackvalentine on Thursday December 27, 2018 @08:02PM (#18774059)
Slack’s performance issues have nothing to do with the people using it’s abilities.

As much as it annoys me too, it appears that people actually using it have enough tolerance for it that it doesn’t matter.

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by theamk on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:30PM (#18729781)
I think this is to enable history and mobile, for example?

Granted, I have not used IRC for a while, but last time I checked, the story for getting message history was "start a irc client inside a screen session on a server you own". And there were no mobile at all.

(I remember writing a script which exported chat logs from my desktop client to text files available over HTTP... I'd then visit those pages from cell phone to see if I had any more messages. This is not the experience I would wish on anybody)

Re:Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada by u801e on Thursday December 20, 2018 @06:12PM (#18730100)
For history, it's either local logging or having an always on client you can connect to (like a bouncer), but most people I knew would just switch their client on, chat for a while, and then close it. They didn't really care much about history.

It was pretty much the same thing with newer chat services like ICQ, AIM, MSN messenger, etc. (though I think they started offering offline messages in later versions).

As for mobile, my older Nokia phone had a Symbian IRC/XMPP client that I could use without any issues.