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Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by adanto6840 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:41PM (#18712341)
Surely it's cheaper to provide this kind of protection (I assumed it would be OSHA-mandated honestly) than it is to pay for the healthcare and/or lawsuits that follow?

I admittedly haven't read the article yet, but it's surprising to me that black lung / industrial air quality isn't something that OSHA (or similar) is tasked with ensuring ample worker protections for.

Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by parshimers on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:54PM (#18712394)
>In the past 30 years, the biggest coal seams were mined out in Appalachia, leaving thinner seams coursing through sandstone.

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>And because there's no coal, it is considered development mining or construction. So sampling the air for toxic dust is not required, even though it is the most dangerous dust. Former MSHA officials told us some inspectors did it, but most did not.

Hopefully the lawsuits cost them. However the folks that make these decisions never see the consequences; they've taken their bonuses and gone by now. Furthermore the mine doesn't pay for medicare. We all do.

Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by justin66 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @11:03PM (#18712910)
However the folks that make these decisions never see the consequences; they've taken their bonuses and gone by now.

It's worse than that. There might not be a company left when these guys start needing health care in a big way. (Or the mine's environmental impact is starting to be felt, or whatever)

That's normal: a mine can be structured as a dividend paying company (with one big asset) that gradually becomes less and less valuable until it's worthless at the end. If the company goes bankrupt at that point, no big deal, it's already paid what it was meant to pay for its investors. And yes, management.

Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by maxxxxx on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @09:00PM (#18712412)
"Furthermore the mine doesn't pay for medicare. We all do. "

Exactly. Worst case they can file for bankruptcy and blame evil environmentalists.

Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by dzhiurgis on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @07:38PM (#18721472)
In NZ employers with higher risk pay more to the medical pool. Accidents outside work are paid for from common pool. Chronic diseases from unhealthy lifestyle (or bad luck) are not compensated.

I can't think of a better system.

Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by fian on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @09:08PM (#18712449)
The time-lag for the health problems to appear allows current management to take the risk and extract extra profit (and bonuses). That the company may be liable for health care costs of employees or is sued after current management have moved on or retired is an externality for them personally.
Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by fzeroracer on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:47PM (#18712368)
Presumably if the coal industry has regulatory capture then the rules are written to allow for easily exploitable loopholes. Not to mention many people simply can't afford a lawyer or have no way of getting to one.

So a lawsuit becomes simply an expected cost of doing business, like how some software companies treat data leaks.

Re:An Epidemic Is Killing Thousands of Coal Miners by sergiotapia on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @11:42PM (#18713064)
"Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

Apply this through the OSHA lense, and voila.