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Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by wishinghand on Saturday December 15, 2018 @11:57AM (#18689138)
> to be honest there are no practical uses for it

I find this hard to believe as a conclusion anyone could come to. A universal shared language for international communication? People can keep their mother tongue yet no matter how provincial it may be, can still communicate effectively with the rest of the world?

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by karmasimida on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:35PM (#18689333)
> A universal shared language for international communication

Practical, but we already got one, that is English. Even this post itself is written in English to reach bigger audience.

And I would argue Esperanto is hardly universal for the world, more for european languages.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by wenc on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:58PM (#18689477)
True, and some people would even call it "globish". (as in "globe") It's a form of non-native English that is as close to being universal as the world has ever seen.

This is particularly noticeable in Europe. Due to the European Union's thinning/erasure of borders, there is an order of magnitude more inter-European travel and mobility than 10 years ago. And the most widely understood language between these travelers is English. In Barcelona, vendors would speak to Dutch and Chinese tourists in English. Even in Paris, famous for its disdain of English, the language is fairly widely spoken, not so much to accommodate the British, but visitors from the rest of Europe and the world.

Folks quickly figured out that instead of learning multiple European languages (and even then, only be able to communicate with other Europeans and people from former European colonies), they could instead learn English and be able to communicate with not only Europeans but people from Asia, the Middle East, etc.

English is used even among people of the same ethnicity. I was with a friend at a restaurant in Chicago's Chinatown, and noticed that my Cantonese-speaking friend had a hard time conveying her order to the Mandarin-speaking mainland Chinese waiter, so they both switched to English. The communication was successful.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by ghaff on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:52PM (#18689432)
And for Europe, we had Latin before that for scholars and French for diplomats as it was largely Europe’s court language.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by beatgammit on Saturday December 15, 2018 @03:37PM (#18690221)
I've heard it's reasonably popular in Japan, so there's that.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by karmasimida on Saturday December 15, 2018 @03:44PM (#18690255)
Only if you consider that 10% of Japanese vocabulary is already English or English-originated (as Gairaigo).
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by hannob on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:27PM (#18689282)
> A universal shared language for international communication?

That is a very good idea. But in order to be successful such a language needs to be spoken by a large share of people internationally. The best language we have for this is English. It's not perfect, because in large parts of the world, particularly in Asia, many people don't speak it. But it's far better suited than Esperanto in almost every imaginable way.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by the_duke on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:34PM (#18689326)
Before WW1, Esperanto was actually becoming popular and was taught in schools in parts of Europe.

The nationalistic policies around WW1 and after put a stop to it.

I think it's a tremendous shame... it would be so nice to communicate with everyone in a simple language.

Note that such a language would not actually need to be actively spoken in normal live much. It just needs to be simple enough to be learn in a short amount of time and to have international backing so it is taught in schools.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by drugme on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:50PM (#18689419)
Note that such a language would not actually need to be actively spoken in normal life much.

Almost by definition - if a language isn't "spoken much" - it isn't really language. But rather a collection of rules and definitions.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by chillacy on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:27PM (#18689901)
Latin isn't spoken much and we still call it a language: a dead language. Esperanto is still spoken, it's just a particularly uncommon (but not even the smallest) language.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by drugme on Monday December 17, 2018 @02:01PM (#18701178)
OK, I'll correct myself:

"If a language is (or never has been) spoken much..."

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @01:03AM (#18704818)
http://jbr.me.uk/ranto/m.html gives a better definition of a dead language: one that does not naturally evolve because it does not have any native speakers, but only second language speakers.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by 4thaccount on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:07PM (#18689528)
Also, many Esperanto speakers were killed in WWII as Hitler hated it because the inventor was Jewish and for nationalist reasons and Stalin because he thought they would be spies. I recall Zamenhoff's children died in concentration camps. Truly horrifying.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:10PM (#18689540)
i can think of a few aspects that make esperanto more suitable:

it is easier to learn, even for non-europeans.

it is nationally (edit: i used the wrong term 'politically' before) and culturally neutral.

english wasn't always the most used language for international communication. until a century ago, that was french.

english replaced french because of the success of british colonialism.

there is no reason why some day esperanto could not take its place.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by Mediterraneo10 on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:04PM (#18689779)
Esperanto is not really politically neutral. Like other such projects for world peace and understanding, its proponents tend to be overwhelmingly on the left, even if disputes might occasionally arise within it between leftist factions. I spent some years in the Esperanto movement and attended a large number of Esperanto congresses and meetups, and I worked with the main organization representing Esperanto (UEA). In this community, advocacy for world federalism or closer EU integration was heard extremely frequently and such ideas were a common theme for conventions. On one hand, I thought that was cool, because I myself was sympathetic to such causes, but at the same time it was obvious that there was a strong enmity towards any ideas associated with the right and that this "neutral" movement was not as open to just any man off the street around the world as it wanted to seem.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:35PM (#18689939)
you make a fair argument, but i think it is worth distinguishing esperanto the language, and and the community of esperanto speakers. there is nothing in the language itself that enforces these political views.

it is for example conceivable that people could use esperanto as a communication language with foreigners to avoid english domination out of a conservative isolationist motivation.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by Mediterraneo10 on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:50PM (#18690012)
As things stand, your theoretical conservative isolationist is unlikely to even meet a fellow Esperanto speaker outside of the community of Esperanto speakers. There are so few Esperanto speakers that if one wanted to actively use the language in any way, one would have to engage with its community. Some Esperantists do keep their distance from the core, rather fanatic community and they try to use the language purely as a means of communication or as a game. However, the actual organizations that provide most of the infrastructure to actively use the language are bound quite closely with the community, and a certain set of shared cultural behaviours and acceptable political boundaries has now arisen within that community.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:21PM (#18689872)
sorry, i used the wrong term, i didn't mean 'political' in terms of political factions or streams, but in terms of nations. (like it is used in political map vs geographical map)

i edited my post to clarify.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by spaced-out on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:28PM (#18689623)
Esperanto is definitely not culturally neutral. How many words come from European languages vs non European languages?
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Sunday December 16, 2018 @09:02AM (#18693059)
with culture i don't mean the words in the language but the culture of the speakers. english is dominated by speakers with western (american,british,australian) culture.

by comparison, the speakers of latin are all dead. so, while latin has a rich historic culture, it is not dominated by any living culture.

likewise, esperanto is not dominated by any living culture because its speakers come from all over the world.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by drugme on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:00PM (#18689152)
A universal shared language for international communication?

In theory, yes - but not in practice.

Which is precisely what the above commenter was saying.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:58PM (#18689479)
why not? because not many people speak it?

that would be like saying, phones are not practical because not everyone has one. or maybe facebook or google+ are not practical because not everyone is on them.

but that is a limitation that has nothing to do with any inherent quality of esperanto, only with it's lack of popularity which is something that can be changed without needing to change esperanto itself.

Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by drugme on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:31PM (#18689636)
There's a big distinction between "not many people" versus "not everyone".
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by em-bee on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:27PM (#18689903)
yes, but all of these at one point had not many people use them. if that were a problem in itself, then they would never have become popular.
Re:Today is Esperanto Day – here’s why I learned it by krapp on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:06PM (#18689183)
Esperanto is no more "universal" or "shared" than any other European or Romance language, which is to say its idioms are "universal" only to a limited subset of humanity.

Might as well just tell the world to keep using English, or make Westerners learn Mandarin.