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Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by ollyhayes on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:02AM (#18671974)
Can someone explain the comment in the article about the ship going at full speed because they were fighting the fire by throwing the burning coal in the furnace?

I would have thought there would be some valve somewhere that can be opened to vent excess power (steam?) into the atmosphere rather than being forced to drive the propellers faster, is that an incorrect assumption?

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by dexen on Thursday December 13, 2018 @09:05AM (#18672349)
Running out of fuel aside (as mentioned by rypskar), they may have also needed to conserve the boiler feedwater[0].

The boilers need well distilled water to turn into steam without leaving scaly residue all over the place. During normal operations the steam is routed through engines where it expands and cools and eventually through condensers where it condenses back into water to be fed to the boilers back again.

If they throttled the engines down, the excess steam would have kept gathering, increasing pressure. They'd need to either lower the coal feed rate - which they did not want - or blow off steam [1]. Ability to blow off steam is a safety measure not meant for regular, extended operations. Think "analogue of nuclear reactor SCRAM". It causes loud release of huge unseemly clouds of steam, but more importantly it causes loss of the valuable distilled water for the boilers.

Btw, operations of marine steam powerplants is surprisingly complex and fascinating subject; consider having a look at this WW2-era navy manual [2] if you ever wonder what it takes to run one such at top power or efficiency.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiler_feedwater

[1] perhaps they could route some of the steam directly from boilers to condensers, but I don't think typical condenser installations are capable of directly taking in HP steam

[2] https://archive.hnsa.org/doc/destroyer/steam/index.htm

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by foobarian on Thursday December 13, 2018 @11:00AM (#18673258)
While not a marine vehicle, I found this video on starting a steam locomotive fascinating. So many manually operated subsystems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx9Q8PphAVo

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by stickfigure on Thursday December 13, 2018 @12:20PM (#18674030)
That's a great video but it rushes through the process, and that K-37 is a complex beast. My favorite video along these lines is this detailed step-by-step narration of how to fire up a small 0-4-0T:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgLRSkRioRA

Pretty much everything in Keith Rucker's Vintage Machinery channel is interesting.

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by magduf on Thursday December 13, 2018 @10:34AM (#18672983)
Given that all you need to create more distilled water is heat, I'm surprised they didn't have a way of generating distilled water with excess heat from the boiler.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by kryogen1c on Thursday December 13, 2018 @11:04AM (#18673306)
>all you need

Not at all that simple. As already mentioned in the thread, they had limited fuel. Boiling 100s if not 1000s of gallons of water takes more fuel they already don't have.

SWAG: they probably weren't just using distilled water. There was likely some pH additive or other chemical treatment that water uses for a multitude of factors (scaling, corrosion, erosion, foaming, etc etc) that gets lost if you just vent water overboard - lost physically as volatile chemicals are vented or lost logically as new water must be treated.

Also, the boiling process itself is much more complicated than a pot and a fire. To achieve any reasonable amount of efficiency at all requires a multistage process with heat reclamation. If you plan on transiting salt water, the boiling process produces a thick, salty effluent that can be difficult to pump and is strongly corrosive. The weight, complexity, training, parts inventory, etc are all large costs. These are all hard sells for relatively short voyages.

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by dexen on Thursday December 13, 2018 @10:40AM (#18673049)
Honestly I am speculating here wrt distilled feedwater, essentially just geeking on a subject I happen to enjoy :^)

Any ship installation is limited in size, weight, and power, so you carry machines only big enough to produce sufficient supply for normal operations plus a bit of spare capacity. Even if they had a distilling machine(s) on board, they would certainly not be able to supply as much water as they'd be able to boil off in the main boilers.

Also, the apparent ease of distillate production is a bit misleading. In fact, it is a bit of an involved subject, with multi-stage processing, and delicate balances of pressures and the occasional thorough cleaning. At least in the submarine world[1], that is...

Basically you want to heat up the water only as much as you need to, but later on recover as much as possible of the heat from both the distillate and the condensed discharge. This is helped greatly by maintaining proper pressures at different stages. Otherwise you'd be running exceptionally inefficient process, and at scale & over span of weeks things add up to real numbers.

[1] https://archive.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/still/index.htm

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by rypskar on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:14AM (#18672038)
If I remember correct from reading about this some years ago. They where low on coal and with the rate the fire did burn coal they needed to burn it in the furnace to get as much speed as possible, to get to the harbor before running out of coal.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by expertentipp on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:57AM (#18672312)
Sounds like an analogy to an economy and how the money in it is borrowed, created, and spent.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by dboreham on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:08AM (#18671999)
I don't know, but I do know (based on reading old Engineering text books from my Dad) that steam power is way more complicated than you might imagine. So I suspect it is possible there is no easy way to vent it while still maintaining acceptable forward motion. It is also possible they just liked the idea of going fast.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday December 13, 2018 @12:16PM (#18673978)
Most things people don't have experience with are much more complicated than they imagine. It is a valuable concept to keep in mind.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by jacobush on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:09AM (#18672009)
Maybe they didn't want to let good fuel go to waste.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by pjc50 on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:10AM (#18672018)
Given that they need a certain amount of fuel to cross the Atlantic, this makes sense - I suppose that disposing of it otherwise would run the risk of running out of fuel.
Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by userbinator on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:09AM (#18672007)
That part didn't really make sense to me either. I believe there's a throttle valve leading to the engines, and there are relief valves to vent excess steam. It might be that those valves aren't meant to operate continuously, however.

I suppose a visit to archive.org's collection of old steamship books could yield a definitive answer.

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit by nohat on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:51AM (#18672275)
According to one theory presented they were simply trying to use up the coal in the smoldering bunker, thereby putting out the fire.