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> by examining the client binaries

And you do this every time there is a new WhatsApp version? How confident are you that you can find any backdoor in the binary? And it doesn't have to be in the encryption/decryption part, all it would need to do is hide the encryption key in a message back to the server, so you'd have to inspect the entire binary every time. Even if you do have the time and skill to do this it's not exactly feasible for most people.

I'm not trying to argue that there is a backdoor, just that in both cases you have to rely on trust.

> You should only trust it if you believe that organizations who want your data can’t invent a good story.

It's not just inventing a story though, their backend is also open source so they've also implemented this story. Of course that doesn't mean there isn't a backdoor in the production version, but you see how the trust you need in both cases is the same.

Edit: Actually the backend isn't open source, I was thinking of signal

Since WhatsApp is closed source, you can't know that there isn't some sort of encryption backdoor in there anyway, so in both cases it comes down to trust that the company is doing what they say they're doing.

When you read how the cloud encryption works in Telegram, with the encryption keys stored in different data centres and even different countries to protect against any one person or group being able to read them, I personally feel pretty happy with that. (See https://telegram.org/privacy#3-3-1-cloud-chats)

Having the messages stored in the cloud and not having to rely on my phone (except for registration) is a huge win for me personally. Especially during the lockdown I almost exclusively use desktop versions of these and the Telegram one is great.

The things I've heard of have been harnesses and carabiners.

Here is a warning that has been put up in our local climbing center: https://imgur.com/a/R0PGiGI

Re:The Titanic Was on Fire for Days Before the Iceberg Hit on Thursday December 13, 2018 @08:02AM (#18671974)
Can someone explain the comment in the article about the ship going at full speed because they were fighting the fire by throwing the burning coal in the furnace?

I would have thought there would be some valve somewhere that can be opened to vent excess power (steam?) into the atmosphere rather than being forced to drive the propellers faster, is that an incorrect assumption?