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Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by brink on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @09:32AM (#18664173)
No mention of a sale?

That seems so strange. I cant think of any other times that a business has given charity to a direct competitor like this.

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by chadash on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @09:42AM (#18664267)
I wonder if Google wants them around so that they can point to them as a competitor when anti-trust suits come up in court.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by bborud on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @03:12PM (#18667327)
Sure, there's that, but Google really need competition for their own sake.

The US would not have put a man on the moon if it wasn't for the Soviet Union trying to do the same. Not having credible competition is bad from a purely professional point of view because you need someone to spur you on.

Since about 2003-2004 search has not really been a real competition in the west. Google has had an unhealthy dominance. I have worked for three search engine companies (Fast, Yahoo and Google) and I can remember how inspiring the early days were when there was half a dozen search engines to compete against.

I particularly enjoyed trying to figure out how the competition did things. At the time you had narrow problems people worked on that perhaps only a dozen other people in the world cared deeply about. Published research hadn't always caught up with what was happening so you spent some amount of time trying to read between the lines and measure things to figure out what the competition was up to.

One of my fondest memories is a lunch I had with Jeff Dean when I slid a napkin over the table with a graph on it. He took one look at it, smiled and said "did you figure it out?". I said "no, did you?". And he said "I have no idea".

Today search just exists and I no longer give a shit about it. It doesn't strike me as fun anymore. Because there is no real competition. I'm pretty sure that at least the engineers at Google would soil themselves with joy if they got a real competitor.

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by pentae on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:03AM (#18664455)
Ding ding ding.. we have a winner
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by hoffs on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:10AM (#18664516)
Bing exists?
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by move-on-by on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:27AM (#18664666)
Until recently EdgeHTML existed
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by marcosdumay on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @12:31PM (#18665806)
Barely.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by setquk on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:20AM (#18664604)
Does it?
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by Spivak on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:23AM (#18664622)
I mean it's bigger than DDG?
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by setquk on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:25AM (#18664640)
Well only because DDG aggregates some of their stuff plus Microsoft ship everything to glue into Bing (windows login screens / default browser config / Cortana / XBox).

I know no one who consciously uses it to do anything other than my mother who uses it search for Google.

If none of the other default integrations exist it'd be dead on it's arse.

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by TheCraiggers on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:52AM (#18664890)
There are memes out there about people using it to search for porn and I've seen it referenced in forums, so there's at least one use case. Although why anybody has to actively /search/ for porn is beyond me.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by setquk on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:56AM (#18664924)
Well it's not like you find it in a bush these days so you have to put some effort in.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by Semaphor on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @12:17PM (#18665687)
> There are memes out there about people using it to search for porn and I've seen it referenced in forums

From what I've heard their video search is superior.

> Although why anybody has to actively /search/ for porn is beyond me.

Specific tastes?

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by basil-rash on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @11:07AM (#18665028)
I use it consciously! I'd rather not support Google, and after a few comparison searches between DDG and Google back in the day I used Google, I found DDG to be far inferior.

Plus Bing has nice background images (I use it as my homepage).

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by philliphaydon on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @09:53PM (#18669526)
I use it exclusively.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by ars on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:37AM (#18664760)
DDG just uses Bing, the existence of DDG is irrelevant to this, Bing is what counts.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by losvedir on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @12:11PM (#18665634)
Agreed, and you shouldn't be down voted for it.

I like DDG, and use it, but it's mostly a pretty front end on a now-deprecated Bing API. If Bing shut down, DDG wouldn't be far behind.

I've never seen a DDG crawler in any of my logs, though I've seen plenty of Google and Bing (and others). DDG does some nice instant answer and bang stuff, but the actual deep search results are all Bing (and maybe Yandex?)

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by Kiro on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:00PM (#18666689)
Yes, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18664967

The DDG crawler is not used for organic results, only for stuff like the widgets. All organic results are from Bing and Yahoo (and possibly Yandex).

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by utopcell on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @06:05PM (#18668499)
What constitutes competition ? If I put up a site serving Wikipedia, that nobody visits, am I a competitor to Wikipedia or Google ? Last time I checked, DuckDuckGo had < 0.2% market share. Aren't Bing and Yahoo enough already to justify competition ?
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by Phr0ztByte on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:02AM (#18664446)
And get some positive optics.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by jerf on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @11:08AM (#18665036)
There's no reasonable amount of money that Google can charge for this that will make up for the amount of meetings they'd need to correctly determine the amount and get all the signoffs for it, and charging for it would also negatively impact the PR for it.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by luckydata on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:03AM (#18664452)
It's more reminiscent of Batman giving one of his batrangs to a kid dressed like him.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by utopcell on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @11:27PM (#18669846)
:-)
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by TomMarius on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @09:36AM (#18664211)
Is it really a competitor? IMO from the point of Google's view DuckDuckGo is a very small niche service that doesn't really endanger them and they can win a few bonus points with their community.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by fosco on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:29AM (#18664694)
also some people use bangs [0] like !g !b !yt and other bang's to redirect search another website directly from ddg. (I use this when I do not like the responses and want to check another search engine)

sort of like google giving money to wikipedia, I suspect they do infact collect information on ddg searches and can aggregate it and make something useful from the information. in fact, they can probably infer that ddgs initial response was poor and determine their weaknesses etc

[0] https://duckduckgo.com/bang

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by dwighttk on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @09:42AM (#18664268)
Macworld Boston 1997
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by samwillis on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:16AM (#18664560)
"At the 1997 Macworld Expo, Steve Jobs announced that Apple would be entering into partnership with Microsoft. Included in this was a five-year commitment from Microsoft to release Microsoft Office for Macintosh as well a US$150 million investment in Apple. It was also announced that Internet Explorer would be shipped as the default browser on the Macintosh. Microsoft chairman Bill Gates appeared at the expo on-screen, further explaining Microsoft’s plans for the software they were developing for Mac, and stating that he was very excited to be helping Apple return to success"

Apple was about to go under and Microsoft saved it in order to have a competitor.

https://www.mac-history.net/apple-history-tv/2008-07-19/macw...

Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by Jyaif on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @11:56AM (#18665470)
This is indeed weird; a 4 letter domain name that also happens to be an english word is worth a couple millions.
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by nailer on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @12:34PM (#18665838)
How do we know Duck didn't pay for it?
Re:Google transferred ownership of Duck.com to DuckDuckGo by trumped on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:43AM (#18664809)
not exactly charity but something similar happened between Microsoft and Apple: https://www.wired.com/2009/08/dayintech-0806/ (Aug. 6, 1997: Apple Rescued — by Microsoft)