CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by mivvy on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:07AM (#18661714)

I used the original Truly Ergonomic (TECK) for several years and really liked it overall. However of the three I bought, two had serious key chatter issues and it's very difficult to get any support. The company has a really poor reputation as demonstrated by many threads on Geekhack (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89035.0)

I switched to the Ergodox (currently Infinity model) and am very satisfied, but they can be a little difficult to source. Hopefully this new model is a viable alternative.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by throwawa485 on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:50AM (#18661866)

Why is this so common on these ergonomic mechanical keyboards?

I had a similar problem with my Kinesis Advantage. After less than 3 months, it would randomly type out gibberish.

I reset it multiple times and even tried different computers and OSes and it was the same. Would have needed to spend 100+ to get the board replaced. So now it's a $300 paperweight.

There was another brand that had similar reviews on Amazon of phantom keystrokes.

This makes me extremely wary.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by lincolnq on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @03:34AM (#18662310)

Counter-anecdote: I own 2 Kinesis Advantage and they're both working perfectly after 11yr and 5yrs respectively.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by throwawa485 on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @04:11AM (#18662449)

That's what frustrates me, because I read a lot of good reviews for them. But now I'm just too scared to test my luck again.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by dmix on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:22AM (#18661763)

What does key chatter mean in practical terms?

Also what was the learning curve like for these strange split keyboards like Ergodox?

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by brokenmachine on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:31AM (#18662023)

Read this great blog post about Truly Ergonomic chatter.

http://www.cataclysmicmutation.com/2014/03/28/truly-unrespon...

I have two of them (apparently I had to learn the lesson twice), both exhibit chatter to varying degrees. It seems to lessen the more you use the keyboard, but comes back if you leave it for a while. It is super inconsistent and annoying and absolutely ridiculous for keyboards of that price.

Also their support is non-existent. The firmware latency settings can help a bit but if you make it slow enough to not do double-presses, then the keyboard feels unresponsive and you'll get more missed presses. Total bullshit.

I'd never EVER buy another product from them. They should be out of business in my opinion.

I have an Ergodox now and very happy.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by dmix on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @11:54AM (#18665450)

Wow, that sounds awfully annoying. Thanks for the link.

I dont get why these companies go unresponsive when selling a high end product. They must be happy in their little niche market position, without much competition.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by mivvy on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:33AM (#18661795)

Key chatter means you press the key once and it outputs several presses. In my case it didn't happen consistently, so was incredibly annoying.

I'd estimate ~3 weeks of very regular practice to get up to my previous typing speeds on the TECK or Ergodox. However before that I'd also learned to use the Kinesis Advantage, Freestyle, and even the FingerWorks TouchStream (http://www.ergocanada.com/products/keyboards/fingerworks_lp....)

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by samatman on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:36AM (#18661808)

I was up and running with the Ergodox EZ Glow within a day, I did fiddle around with the key layout for awhile but it's settled into place for me pretty quickly.

It's dramatically more comfortable and I would never go back to a stock tenkeyless. I held out for an Infinity for a long time, then EZ added addressable LEDs and the difference between it and the Infinity now consists of things I don't plan to use.

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Re:CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by samatman on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:38AM (#18661813)

My layout, in case anyone finds this interesting:

https://github.com/mnemnion/ergodox/

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