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Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by tw04 on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @02:10AM (#18653668)
There's just no way that's true. Their roadmap in 1996 was moving everyone to ia64/itanium. That was an unmitigated disaster and they were forced to license x64 from AMD.

If it weren't for their illegal activity (threats/bribes to partners) to stifle AMDs market penetration, the market would likely look very different today.

Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by antod on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @04:39AM (#18654158)
> There's just no way that's true. Their roadmap in 1996 was moving everyone to ia64/itanium. That was an unmitigated disaster and they were forced to license x64 from AMD.

Yup, and their x86 backup plan (Netburst scaling all the way to 10GHz) was a dead end too.

Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by gpderetta on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @06:39AM (#18654653)
but their plan C (revive the pentium III architecture) worked perfectly.

We will have to see if they have plan C now(plan B being yet another iteration of the lake architecture with little changes).

Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by jplayer01 on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:31AM (#18655487)
Their plan C was a complete fluke and only came together because the Israelis managed to put out Centrino. I don't think such a fluke is possible when we're at the limits of process design and everything takes tens of billions of dollars and half a decade of lead time to implement.
Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by gpderetta on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:49AM (#18656600)
Having multiple competent design teams working on potentially competing products all the time is one of the strengths of Intel, I wouldn't call it a fluke.

Things do look dire right now, I agree.

Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by bogomipz on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:42AM (#18655541)
I'm not that up on Intel at the moment. Why are they stuck at more iterations of the lake architecture with little changes?

What was the plan "A"?

Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by gpderetta on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:43AM (#18656537)
Get 10nm out.
Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by m_mueller on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:24AM (#18655132)
doesn't it look like they're shifting to do chiplets as well at the moment? copying AMD might be their plan C, but it won't help if AMD can steam ahead with TSMC 7nm while Intel is locked to 14nm for a couple of years. That's going to hurt a lot.
Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by pitaj on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:26AM (#18656390)
TSMC's 7nm and Intel's 14nm are about the same in actual dimensions on silicon IIRC. The names for the processes are mostly fluff.
Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by gpderetta on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @05:02PM (#18659373)
AFAIK, supposedly TMSC 7nm and Intel 10nm are about equivalent, but with 10nm being in a limbo, TMSC is ahead now.
Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by m_mueller on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @03:16AM (#18662235)
That’s also how I understand it, which seems to be supported by perf/watt numbers of Apple’s 2018 chips.
Re:Amazon’s Chips Threaten Intel by pjmlp on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @07:19AM (#18654833)
Likewise if AMD wasn't a thing maybe this laptop would be running Itanium instead.