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Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by arthurcolle on Saturday December 08, 2018 @11:51AM (#18636075)
I've always been surprised that cellular tablets didn't experience more marketshare compared to smartphones. No one has exclusively a cellular tablet that I know of, but frankly I'd probably ditch my smartphone for a cellular tablet that I carry around at all times. For me, communication mostly happens by email/text and phone calls have almost entirely been replaced by videocalling, so in the long-run I see myself moving to just a internet-enabled tablet of some kind. I guess the growing ubiquity of WiFi makes it less of an issue for most people
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by api on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:27PM (#18636306)
Tablets are in an uncanny valley. Phones fit in your pocket and are good for communication, brief transactional interaction with services, and casual stuff. When I want more than that I want a real computer, which means I pull out a laptop. Laptops are only a little bigger than tablets. Tablets have the crippled by design OS of a phone but none of the portability.

There is a market for tablets but I see it as somewhat niche.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by freehunter on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:41PM (#18636376)
Personally for me, phablets are an uncanny valley. I had an iPhone Plus for a while and it never clicked. It was too big to use with one hand, but the screen size didn't warrant using two hands like an iPad does. I switched to a smaller phone and just use a tablet when I need a big screen.

Real work gets done on a laptop, but there's a lot of space between "phone" and "real work". I do wish I could get an iPad Pro with a mouse and the ability to run VSCode though...

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by dredmorbius on Saturday December 08, 2018 @08:52PM (#18638750)
There's nothing but app ecosystem standing between Tablet aand useful flyweight mobile computer.

Getting Termux on Android was a complete game-changer, and took the device from hated useless toy to ... well, still-hated, but occasionally useful toy. But clearly the limitation is in apps and OS, not form-factor.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by api on Saturday December 08, 2018 @10:18PM (#18639042)
That's what I said -- "dripped by design" OS. That being said I don't see it as something that's going to change. The duopoly behind phones and tablets wants these devices locked down. In Apple's case it's so they can take 30% of every transaction. In Google's case it's so the device can double as a surveillance platform.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by dredmorbius on Sunday December 09, 2018 @02:06AM (#18639775)
I'm watching Purism and Ubuntu with interest.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by mimming on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:49PM (#18636426)
I made the switch to a cellular tablet (9.7" iPad Pro) a couple years ago and it's been great.

It reduces the urge to whip out my mobile device at every moment of mild boredom, and collaborative apps like ported board games shine.

The one downside is that I look pretty silly when taking photos.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by crispyporkbites on Saturday December 08, 2018 @07:23PM (#18638354)
> The one downside is that I look pretty silly when taking photos.

I am glad you acknowledge that.

Although it is a little strange that we feel this way, what's actually silly about using a tablet to take photos?

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by sonnyblarney on Saturday December 08, 2018 @03:56PM (#18637490)
You kind of need a smartphone to talk, to move around with, small enough to keep in your pocket.

You need 'something with a keyboard' to do regular stuff.

Nobody needs a tablet.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by ghaff on Saturday December 08, 2018 @05:09PM (#18637833)
I do know people (mostly writers of one sort or another) who mostly travel with just a tablet these days though it’s never clicked for me. I usually travel with a tablet and small Chromebook. The Chrimebook is a flip model but it’s just not good enough as a tablet for me.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by sonnyblarney on Saturday December 08, 2018 @06:07PM (#18638067)
If you have a detachable keyboard, a high powered tablet is borderline laptop. It's a decent travel companion, but with macboooks so light these days ... again the tablet is just an unnessary thing. It's an optimization, not a necessity.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by evan_ on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:24PM (#18636286)
The difficulty is you can’t very well use a cellular tablet with one hand while you’re in line at the coffee shop.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by bergie on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:35PM (#18636345)
Depends on the size of the tablet. A full-sized iPad? Probably no. But I used a Nexus 7 as my primary mobile device for a couple of years without issue.

Shame good-quality cellular small tablets are not really a thing any longer. Though, I suppose the new big phones are close to similar form factor. Just not quite as nice to read with...

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by elboru on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:38PM (#18636361)
I really liked the idea of a tablet in 2010/2012 when I didn’t have a big screen in my pocket, then new phones with big screens and great resolution arrived and I just started declining the use of my tablet. And that was not because I prefer to watch a smaller screen but because I almost never carry a backpack with me just to carry a tablet, if manufacturers finally figure out how to break the usability wall between laptops and tablets I might change my mind again (Surface Pro has been tempting).
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by freehunter on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:38PM (#18636362)
I would use an iPad Mini sized phone, but iPads can't be used as cell phones even if they have LTE. Carriers won't activate them as phones and you can't give them a number that rings to the dialer, since the dialer doesn't exist on an iPad. It would work for me since I never take a call on my phone, I just pop in my Airpods and never actually pick the phone up.

Oh well.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by deathhand on Saturday December 08, 2018 @02:10PM (#18636913)
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by scarface74 on Saturday December 08, 2018 @02:08PM (#18636903)
Google Voice.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by calgoo on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:58PM (#18636486)
I would prefer a mobile hotspot with 24+ hours battery life, and a couple of different tablets: 1 small 4.5 / 5" and 1 that's around 8" / 10". That way I would just use the device i feel for using be it a smaller one or a bigger one. Basically make us all portable hotspots that future smart clothing and devices can connect to.
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by marci on Saturday December 08, 2018 @01:30PM (#18636664)
You'll soon(ish, eventually) have one device for both screen sizes https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=219&v=Sp6RVQUQ1G...
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by scarface74 on Saturday December 08, 2018 @02:07PM (#18636899)
I can’t find anything more recent, but the iPad Air got 24 hours of battery life as a hotspot five years ago....

I doubt the 2018 9.7” iPad is worse.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by sys_64738 on Saturday December 08, 2018 @12:25PM (#18636292)
This is the whole point of larger phones as most people need a phone to be reached. It makes the tablet market redundant if you can carry the tablet around - why would you want to?
Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by zaphoyd on Saturday December 08, 2018 @05:39PM (#18637951)
I've been using a 9.7 inch cellular iPad as my primary mobile device for 6 years or so. It works very well for my use case but I do understand why more people don't do it.

In my arrangement, the tablet replaces a phone, ebook, paper notes, and a laptop. I primarily use the machine for messaging/email, maps, reading (books, websites), writing notes, and using terminals. I use desktop computers with many displays (and clouds/racks of servers) for anything "real work" like. A laptop doesn't cut it.

The bigger screen is significantly better than a phone (even a big one) for most of those things. Especially multi-tasking use cases where I want slack+a terminal visible at once. The bigger keyboard is far more comfortable for taking notes and using terminals.

I make/receive very few phone calls, and the ones I do use a headset and a Voip app. If you use the phone a lot for holding up to your head and talking to people a tablet works poorly. Most of my camera use is for things like scanning documents, qr codes, etc where the size/awkwardness is less an issue. I have a single purpose camera that I take on photo heavy trips like vacations. These are both trade offs that make sense to me but I don't think make sense for a lot of people.

I have a case with a hand strap that makes it safe and easy to use the tablet while standing/walking around, something that is hard to do with a laptop. I don't own or use a car so I tend to carry a messenger bag with me everywhere for general storage so adding the tablet to that is straight forward. It is easy to take the tablet in and out of the bag while standing if I need to look something up. Because I primarily use public transit I am free to actually use the screen of my device while in transit. Again, the more common use case where your car stores your stuff and you can't use your screen while in transit likely pushes the common case towards phone sized devices.

I pay $17.50 per month for Verizon cellular data with no contracts and no funny business. LTE data plans for tablets are priced assuming you have a smartphone already. Especially with today's $1000+ phones, a tablet + LTE plan can be drastically cheaper than a smartphone.

Finally, I like the friction of usage balance. It is much easier to grab the tablet (especially while standing/walking) than to deal with a laptop. It is a bit harder than pulling a phone out of your pocket. This leads me to avoid wasting time on my mobile device when with other people, in meetings, standing in line, etc, but makes it much easier to deploy computing power when it is necessary (standing in the data center and need to run one terminal command quickly).

The one thing I would change would be to add a watch that would help with turn by turn walking directions, basic message checking, and NFC payments. I look forward to the day that Apple Watch will pair with a tablet (or work with no tethered device).

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by arthurcolle on Saturday December 08, 2018 @05:48PM (#18637990)
> I pay $17.50 per month for Verizon cellular data with no contracts and no funny business.

How'd you manage to pull this witchcraft? This is 1/6th what I'm paying for Sprint.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by zaphoyd on Monday December 10, 2018 @07:23AM (#18647347)
Just sign up for the Verizon plan from the cellular data menu on the device. No talking to anyone, no visiting Verizon store, no negotiating. Supports tethering. 2GB/2months, way more than enough for messaging and web browsing. Probably not enough for streaming video (I don’t do this, you can pay more for more data if you want). As the sibling comment mentioned other carriers have similar or better deals for tablets.

The “catch” is that there are no voice minutes and you have to carry a tablet instead of a phone. This is apparently enough of a burden that people don’t take them up on it. If you can live with those constraints (it is definitely doable) then it is a fantastic price.

Re:Global, U.S. Growth in Smartphone Growth Starts to Decline by briandear on Sunday December 09, 2018 @04:14AM (#18640049)
I pay $10 per month for my iPad cellular through T-Mobile — signed up directly during the setup of the new iPad.