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Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by cududa on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:59PM (#18622722)
Everyone seems to be missing that this is Microsoft’s tacit recognition that Electron is the future of apps. Electron has abysmal performance and doesn’t work on ARM. This is them fixing fundamental chromium issues, to improve Electron performance and give themselves a further wedge beyond TypeScript
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by untog on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:00PM (#18622741)
Look at VS Code: Electron doesn't have abysmal performance. It's just what people do with it that causes problems.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by WorldMaker on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:10PM (#18622832)
VS Code is a possible sign for why Microsoft leading Electron on all fronts (from taking over GitHub, to collaborating much more directly on Chromium) might be good for computers. If the average Electron app starts to act more like VS Code, that's good for everybody.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by setquk on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:13PM (#18622874)
Wonder if office will go in that direction too.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by berbec on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:31PM (#18623081)
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by setquk on Thursday December 06, 2018 @06:45PM (#18623686)
Damn that’s amazing. Thanks for the link.

I can’t wait never to touch VSTO again.

Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by saghm on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:17PM (#18622911)
Not sure if this is related to Electron or not, but in VS Code I have issues with using the high key repeat that I have set on all my machines. If I try to hold down a key that navigates the cursor (arrow keys, delete, hjkl in Vim mode, etc.), the editor isn't able to move the cursor fast enough to keep up with the key input events, so it keeps moving after I've lifted the key for a bit. This is especially annoying when I'm trying to delete some text and end up deleting more than I meant to.

Obviously this is a super niche thing, and you could make the argument that there are more efficient ways to edit text than this. My main point is that I never have this issue with native apps, only Electron-based ones, so it seems likely to me that there is some performance issue with this sort of input to Electron.

Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by Tempest1981 on Friday December 07, 2018 @03:26AM (#18625968)
Writing a lot of lines (5000+) to the VScode output window seems to kill performance.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by Amezarak on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:58PM (#18623310)
In my experience electron apps, including VS Code, have atrocious performance on older hardware where native apps like Visual Studio run great.

By atrocious performance, I mean even such things as the application significantly lagging behind my typing speed.

At any rate, I’ve often wondered when the endless pile of layers and abstractions has to topple.

Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by roywiggins on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:54PM (#18623271)
I've found VS Code to be approximately unusably slow in a virtual machine (Linux guest, Windows host) but VS Code runs fine on the host.

Other editors run just fine in my Linux VMs- Sublime Text has no problem at all.

Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by pitaj on Thursday December 06, 2018 @10:08PM (#18624823)
Probably a lack of hardware acceleration on the virtual machine.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by roywiggins on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:28PM (#18633726)
That sounds likely, my VMs definitely don't have hardware acceleration.

That said, it's clearly possible to build a nice editor purely on the CPU, so it's a shame that VS Code can't run well in the same environment. Sublime Text handles dozens of tabs and windows under emulation.

Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by lostmsu on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:57PM (#18623292)
It might well be true for an IDE, which has a ton of features on its own, and 200MB+ Electron adds to it barely matter. But when that happens to your IM, plain text editor, music player, it adds up.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by fredmorcos on Saturday December 08, 2018 @03:26AM (#18634434)
VS Code takes ~6 seconds from clicking its icon to having its window show up. On an 8th-gen Intel i7 with an SSD. Yes Electron has abysmal performance.
Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by russley on Thursday December 06, 2018 @06:41PM (#18623660)
This is it. Even more specifically: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/10708221567313223...

Getting WebRTC means Teams can replace Skype for Buisness

Re:Goodbye, EdgeHTML by aaaaaaaaaab on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:31PM (#18623070)
>Electron is the future of apps

Lol.

Nevertheless, I hope they go all-in because a gimped JS Office would finally let other players to innovate in the word- & spreadsheet processor niche without the MS .

Fingers crossed brother, finger crossed!