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Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by giobox on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:12PM (#18622286)
Agreed, the premise here is in my opinion pretty wrong. While it too would be a little hyperbolic, I’d be much quicker to argue the opposite.

Also, how successful other OSes were or weren’t at attracting an install base during the 1990s is very tangentially related to why Copland failed.

Slightly related: I’ve always wondered what Apple might be like today if Gassée had succeeded in selling BeOS to Apple instead of Jobs with NeXTSTEP. Probably a nice headstone in the Silicon Valley graveyard next to Sun, SGI etc, but interesting to consider.

Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by smarks on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:30PM (#18622450)
Yes. To paraphrase Ray Noorda, it'd still be dead, but it would have been a much more interesting death.
Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by peatmoss on Thursday December 06, 2018 @08:04PM (#18624202)
Oh my goodness, just think of the eulogizing of NeXT that we’d be doing here on Hacker News.

But who knows, maybe in that alternate timeline Sun succeeds in making a Solaris for the masses, and Linux becomes an obscure footnote. Some flavor of BSD ultimately becomes the oddball alternative to Windows (which dominates) and Solaris which is the runner-up developer favorite.

Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by scarface74 on Friday December 07, 2018 @12:31PM (#18629593)
Dead.

Apple almost died the first time mostly because Gassée went for margins instead of market share when he was at Apple.

Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by Apocryphon on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:28PM (#18622436)
And then BlackBerry or Microsoft CE ends up launching the mobile revolution. Oh dear.
Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by wmf on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:35PM (#18623105)
Nah, those were available for years and never reached anything close to iPhone/Android levels of adoption. It's possible that Android (the "better Danger" version, not the "iPhone clone" version) would have still happened, but it may also have languished without the iPhone to pave the way.
Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by lproven on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:42PM (#18623176)
Agreed.

The original pre-Google Android was a Blackberry-killer, and I don't reckon that was a good way to go.

You can see some early prototype devices here: https://www.androidcentral.com/android-pre-history

As usual for Ars, it has a far more detailed history, with pre-1.0 screenshots: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/10/building-android-a-4...

You can see that, before the iPhone, it started out as a Blackberry clone, or something like it. And that, IMHO, was far to geeky a toy to change the world as the iPhone did.

Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by peatmoss on Thursday December 06, 2018 @08:07PM (#18624220)
On the other hand, maybe we’d all have physical keyboards now instead of poking at glass...
Re:Why did Apple's Copland fail when so many 90s OS succeed,... by tinus_hn on Friday December 07, 2018 @08:41AM (#18627533)
I remember being so enthusiastic about Android development and then the iPhone came along and was just 10 years ahead.