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Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by x220 on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:42PM (#18622002)
This is what a monopoly looks like.
Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by robertAngst on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:58PM (#18622163)
Careful, we don't want to start using the word Monopoly wrongly.

When real monopolies exist and are dangerous, we need to be able to tell them apart.

Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by uxhack on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:59PM (#18623327)
Maybe you can try to explain why, but Adamm Smith who defined the concept of Monopoly would disagree with you. The purpose of the government is to stop firms ever being able to create one.This means before a monopoly is created.
Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by InclinedPlane on Friday December 07, 2018 @02:53AM (#18625860)
Facebook is unquestionably a monopoly. They have unquestionably engaged in illegal anti-competitive behavior. It isn't even subtle.
Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by ajkjk on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:45PM (#18622036)
In what way?
Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by bduerst on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:11PM (#18622283)
* Monopolistic action

Facebook is still far from the textbook definition of monopoly, but this anti-competitive behavior is not good.

Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by jazzyjackson on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:36PM (#18623122)
quacking like a monopoly

acting with the knowledge that they can stem the growth of a competitor and flipping the switch

Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by ucaetano on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:49PM (#18622067)
I believe OP mens abusing market power to prevent competition.

Although if it is or not a monopoly and an abuse of market power is dubious, but it clearly is anti-competitive.

This is similar to Amazon shutting off Google Products from any retailers using its platform. It is anti-competitive, but the jury is out on whether it is abusing market power.

TL;DR: you can try to shut off your competitors from the market, as long as you're not abusing your market power to do so.

PS: The Hacker News definition of monopoly has nothing to do with the economics, policy and antitrust definition of monopoly.

Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by twodave on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:07PM (#18622251)
How is it anticompetitive to stop sharing data you own with another business who has taken a more competitive stance against you? It’s not like Facebook is a public service that everyone is entitled to. And I say that as someone who deleted his own account long ago. I dislike Facebook for a lot of reasons but this isn’t one of them.
Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by ucaetano on Thursday December 06, 2018 @08:48PM (#18624432)
It is retaliation for another business competing with you. That is literally using your market power to try to reduce competition.

But taking anti-competitive actions by itself isn't necessarily an issue, but it is a problem if you're deemed to have significant market power in a defined market.

Essentially: if Facebook is deemed to have significant market power, this could be a problem, if it doesn't have, then it isn't a problem.

Anti-trust relies heavily on the precise definition of a market (which is a subject that Hacker News comments generally ignore when crying wolf, I mean, monopoly).

Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by spunker540 on Friday December 07, 2018 @02:14AM (#18625716)
I don't think its anti-competitive considering they don't need to provide any third party APIs at all. Plus it's not like to create a social app you absolutely need FB login or FB data. I think if your company can't make it and you're blaming FB for not giving you enough data maybe your business model was a little too dependent on Facebook in the first place.
Re:Facebook accused of striking 'secret deals over user data' by ucaetano on Friday December 07, 2018 @02:45PM (#18630890)
> I don't think its anti-competitive considering they don't need to provide any third party APIs at all.

Removing the access of a competitor in retaliation for them competing with you, when you give it to other players is anti-competitive by definition.