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Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by toomuchtodo on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @06:54PM (#18613997)
> One thing that sometimes gets lost in the "health care is inefficient" discussion is that one person's inefficiency is another person's living.

You are not entitled to a living as bureaucratic waste. We should of course help retrain those who lose their jobs, just as we're doing for coal workers who are going to be out of a job within the next five years. I want my healthcare dollars going to healthcare providers (doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners, CNAs, drug research R&D, medical technology innovators), not private insurance companies, not administrators or third party billers, and most assuredly, not shareholders. I want the AMA to be handicapped from preventing us from dramatically increasing the number of doctors in the US (the American Medical Association operates as a cartel/cabal, attempting to limit supply to keep wages high); they also attempt to reduce the authority given to nurse practitioners [1].

> I would love for some sort of centralized system to push down costs, but I fear it's not realistically every going to happen.

The majority of Americans say the government should be responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans [2]. Universal healthcare will arrive in the US eventually, the question is when. The current model is unsustainable, and will reach a tipping point.

[1] https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20171214/NEWS/17121...

[2] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/13/more-america...

Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by ams6110 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:24PM (#18614184)
Only a few generations ago, healthcare was not so ruinously expensive in the USA. We've never had taxpayer-funded universal care. So what caused the explosion in costs?
Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by toomuchtodo on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:28PM (#18614206)
TL;DR Lack of cost controls and unnecessary administrative costs.

> In the U.S., they point out, drugs are more expensive. Doctors get paid more. Hospital services and diagnostic tests cost more. And a lot more money goes to planning, regulating and managing medical services at the administrative level.

So, we're all getting a lower quality of care for a lot more money, due to how the healthcare "market" is configured.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/upshot/united-states-heal...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care...

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/health/health-care-spending-s...

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/11/it-is-t...

Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by sedor0115 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:53PM (#18614382)
This fails to address the elephant-sized American in the room. Any analysis of increasing healthcare costs that doesn't quantify the fiscal impact of the average American's failure to care for themselves is just beating around the bush. The obesity rate alone has gone from 10% in the 60s to 40% today. These people need more care that is harder to provide, and to not expect healthcare costs to rise significantly from that is to expect healthcare workers to work for free.

Our system is a little sick, sure, but the bulk of the responsibility for the current situation lies squarely at our own feet as individuals. This problem will never be solved before America puts down the fork.

Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by rednerrus on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:58PM (#18614424)
The elastic nature of health care costs and the disconnect between the people making the purchases and the people paying the bills.

If you have insurance, chances are that you are not asking your doctor how much something is going to cost. You are not likely to shop around or work to get the best deal. As a healthcare provider, where is the incentive to bring costs down.

Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by jedharris on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:23PM (#18615389)
Also, hospitals typically won't tell you how much something will cost, so you can't shop around even when you are willing to.

Also sometimes hospitals will lie about what they will charge -- happened to my daughter regarding her appendectomy. Should count as fraud.

Re:Economic Analysis of Medicare for All by Analemma_ on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:47PM (#18614318)
You’re missing the point. The parent isn’t suggesting this situation is good, or that we shouldn’t eliminate bureaucratic waste. They’re saying that there are a ton of people highly incentivized to keep the system as it is, because it pays for their salary. Concentrated benefits, diffuse costs.