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Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by jonas21 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @02:16PM (#18602734)
If you put the word "margins" in quotes in your query, all of your results will contain that word. Similarly, you can force words not to appear by prefixing them with a "-".

> The only solution I can see is for a search engine to support both styles of communication.

Isn't this exactly what you're asking for? Non-technical users can be imprecise and let Google figure it out, while technical or power users can get more precise results with the various search operators?

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by reaperducer on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:07PM (#18603168)
If you put the word "margins" in quotes in your query, all of your results will contain that word.

This seemed to be true at one time, but I noticed last night that it doesn't always work.

These days it seems to put include results without the word, then provide a tiny link below each deficient result with a link to "must include" the missing word in a new search.

That used to be the previous behavior, but now it's inconsistent.

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by jonas21 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:53PM (#18604275)
Do you have an example where adding quotes doesn't work? As far as I can tell, it always works for me (yeah, we may be getting different personalized results, but still...)
Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by prepend on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @12:03AM (#18605803)
It’s kind of hard to share links because google personalizes results against our wishes. But a search for ‘"monkeys" burritos san diego “fries”’[0] returns a first link [1] that doesn’t include ‘monkeys.’

There are also other results [2] that include ‘monkey’ not what I asked for.

It’s infuriating. I just want to grep the internet. Is that too much to ask?

[0] https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&ei=P1oH...

[1] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/481463016388903842/

[2] https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g55543-d4580159-...

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by jonas21 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @12:50AM (#18605963)
In your first example, >90% of the text on the page is in the "More Like This" section which is heavily personalized by Pinterest. So I'm seeing different content than you are, and Googlebot saw different content than either of us. Given the complete randomness of the content in there, I wouldn't be surprised at all if "monkeys" appeared on the version that was indexed.

In your second example, the word "monkeys" does appear on the page, in the "Show reviews that mention" section.

More importantly, did you have a result in mind for this query that isn't showing up? It seems somewhat nonsensical.

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by prepend on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @01:37AM (#18606138)
Thanks for the reply. I’m on mobile and searched on mobile and I don’t see “show reviews that mention.” I do see “read reviews that mention” but that includes stuff but not monkeys [0].

The Pinterest page perhaps has monkeys at some point, but doesn’t now.

This isn’t a real search, I just added something whimsical (and I miss San Diego burritos). This is behavior I remember but don’t typically track so it’s hard to remember on command.

Note you can use search tools | verbatim and it will return pages will all terms. The Pinterest page is still there, but the trip advisor page is missing [1].

[0] https://imgur.com/gallery/Xlp8lsk [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22monkeys%22+burritos+san+d...

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by andrewprock on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @01:24AM (#18606084)
As loathe as I am to invoke Inception, having an advertising platform index advertisements and then sell my traffic to advertisers feels like a recursive death I don't want to die.
Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by tempestn on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:54PM (#18603919)
All that link appears to do is add the quotation marks around that keyword.
Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by iainmerrick on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:42PM (#18603414)
That used to be the case, and it was fine, but they started breaking those operators a few years back (maybe when they tried to make “+” search for Google+ pages, but I’m not sure).
Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by adrianmonk on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @02:22PM (#18602810)
I'm aware of quotes, but I have two issues:

1. It's tiring to type quotes around every word every time.

2. It takes you to the other extreme. Just because I'm being more precise than Google thinks I am doesn't mean if I have 8 words in my query that all of them are mandatory. There is potential for a useful middle ground that quotes don't get me to.

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by asdff on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:04PM (#18603998)
Quotes are one of many operators google has for search (1). You can build very powerful search arguments with a handful of easy to use operators. Sometimes taking the time to type in the proper operators can save you much more time by bringing you to the content you are looking for faster.

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

Re:Google personalizes search results even when you’re logge... by nottorp on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @08:22AM (#18607936)
Please quit helping. The thing is, until like 4 years ago, Google worked just fine without any operators. Then they improved it to the point you can't find anything specific any more.

Edit: Actually you could help. Show me where I set "Verbatim" as a permanent option :)