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Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by closeparen on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:06AM (#18598028)
I grew up during the transition.

Before I had regular access to technology I spent most of my after-school and recess time staring off into space, pacing around constructing imaginary worlds, and reading YA fiction. I had no interest in my peers, and no idea how to connect with them, years before I ever touched a computer. When I finally did get into the internet, and programming, it was manna from heaven. Now I get to be a productive member of society, staring off into space at my desk and constructing imaginary worlds in the form of software systems for important business purposes. If it weren't for that, I might have wasted away, disintegrated, completely detached from the normal human world.

I dunno. Just because a child has no social life and a lot of screen time, doesn't mean the causality works as you propose. Some of us have a tighter grip on the world of things than the world of people. (It's definitely become more balanced for me, with time).

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by creep on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:59AM (#18601202)
I also grew up during the transition. We didn't have Internet in the house until I was 14, and even then my computer time was limited. My story is similar to yours. I had a few neighborhood friendships that only worked out because I was able to tell them what I wanted them to do. Otherwise, interactions with my own age group were never 2-way: if they didn't want to do what I wanted to do the way that I wanted to do it, I just went off on my own and was perfectly content.

In my teen years I spent most of my time writing, reading, or walking wherever. Again, I had a few friends, but I was picky and apart from that didn't care to "maintain" the friendships. When I started using the Internet more frequently, I found more passive friendships online that came and went and this was a much better solution for me. It meant I could connect when I wanted to, and instantly end the connection when I wanted to be alone, without much risk.

I probably sound a little more pathological than you, but my point is that some people just are a certain way. Apart from that there are external reasons why kids prefer the Internet to in-person interaction. The Internet as a solution came about for a reason. The world is so populated now that when one walks down the street, your neighbors are unkind or elusive because people cannot keep up with so many relationships at once. Trains are packed, everyone's chattering, everyone's rushing, there are people everywhere but no one is communicating-- there's no time or energy to connect with people. Some guy on the train is crying, but no one is going to comfort him because everyone has so much shit going on. The Internet, in one sense, is a way to reconnect with one's neighbors intimately while keeping a sane distance. If a guy on reddit is telling me he's crying, I instantly attempt to comfort him.

It's a weird thing, for sure. But, personally, I don't see an easy way around it in the short-term.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by jacobush on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:25AM (#18598113)
I think many who grew up in the transition phase became hooked on arts or other creative things like programming. (Programming can often be an art in itself, especially if done for fun.)

But today, when I can barely get shit done with all the distractions at my fingertips, I wonder if I could learn the basics before gravitating towards something passive.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by Waterluvian on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:30AM (#18598444)
The lack of internet on my LCIII as a kid forced me to scour every bit off these dozen or so "Nautilus" CDs we got in the mail. They were like little random chunks of internet. Some demos, software, music, a video (holy crap video on a computer!!!), And lots of written media.

It forced me out of necessity to give time to content I never would have bothered with otherwise.

Boredom is so healthy.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by everdrive on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:04AM (#18598633)
No doubt. I'm glad to see other people saying this. I used to be bored all the time, and it did wonderful things for me.

Among those: the media, fiction, or interactions that were meaningful to me held more space in my mind. They weren't competing against a sea of trash and new stimulus.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by JorgeGT on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:09AM (#18599073)
Sooo many hours with that orbit simulator in Encarta 96 [1] and here I am now, assistant professor in Aerospace Engineering...

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[1] https://youtu.be/Hy9R41Rord0?t=60

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by Waterluvian on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:56AM (#18599413)
I spent hours and hours with Robot Odyssey when I was 9-10 and hours with Fisher Technic around 10-11 because there just wasn't a ton of other games on the family Apple IIGS. On mobile so sorry no links but the former is basically robot programming with logic gates. The latter was scale industrial hardware and software. And yeah. Now I'm a roboticist.

Also I did a ton of engineering and robotics extra curricular stuff through the years. Then one year we got broadband and I got Lego Mindstorms. I took it out of the box once. I still feel bad about that gift.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by 6cd6beb on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:27AM (#18600863)
>If it weren't for that, I might have wasted away, disintegrated, completely detached from the normal human world.

Or you might have found a friend and started a social circle based on common interests. Now you never have to, you get various approximations of that. You can hop onto an MMO and have an approximation of a social circle. You can code until a manager says "good job" and have an approximation of social approval. Hell you can watch porn and get an approximation of sex. You can watch ASMR videos and get an approximation of affection (don't tell me a video of a cute girl with audio that sounds like she's whispering in your ear isn't meant to be an approximation of affection).

It's good to have tech and the things it brings us, but on the other hand they're clearly sucking people into a passive life where they interact with the actual world as little as possible. I've looked back on how socially retarded I am because I ran away from the world using these tools, and I don't like it. And it's only a personal failure to a certain extent. We all know, clear as a bright spring day, that a lot of apps and services are build deliberately to keep you there as long as possible as often as possible.

When people say they wouldn't have it any other way, I'm not sure it's for any reason but they either don't know or can't handle any other way.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by kup0 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:37AM (#18600975)
I'm still not convinced the "real world" is actually better, tbh (if we're talking about human interaction specifically, I don't mind getting outside occasionally).

I live in both, I can function decently in both, and I still prefer the passive tech life. Pretty sure without tech, I'd still prefer to be distant/alone most of the time, with only occasional contact with other human beings