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Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by reaperducer on Sunday December 02, 2018 @03:26PM (#18584362)
How much are people really running other than a web browser on a desktop/laptop now-a-days?

Currently open on my machine:

- Safari

- Firefox (streaming audio)

- A program converting a 500 page PDF to 500 300dpi PNGs

- A bash script extracting PDFs from a municipal web site.

- A program downloading my video viewing for the week and converting it to a format better suited for my iPad

- iTunes serving audio and video to TVs in two different rooms

- An FTP program doing weekly backups

- A mail client

- A VPN client

- A spreadsheet

- An IDE (Coda2)

And if I were to look at my wife's laptop, I can guarantee that she's running more than just a web browser, and she's not technically inclined.

People have been pushing browser-only machines since the days of Novell's "thin client" strategy in the 90's. Netbooks were a fad. Consumption-only gained a small amount of traction recently with Chromebooks, but even the non-technical people in my office are dumping their Chromebooks for real laptops these days because they realize they have needs beyond Google's ecosystem.

Maybe we'll get there some day. But for now, if you want a laptop computer, you have to have an actual laptop computer.

Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by taneq on Sunday December 02, 2018 @07:22PM (#18585461)
> Netbooks were a fad.

This is one of my pet peeves. Netbooks were great as a small disposable internet console. They weren't just for consumption - the keyboard meant you could use them to compose text. The problem was that people bought them when they wanted a super cheap laptop, and so netbook manufacturers kept making the screens bigger and the processors faster until they stopped being netbooks and turned into crappy cheap laptops.

The new wave of tablets with keyboard covers are basically what netbooks were, but for a good decade there we lost the idea of a small cheap internet console which could be used to compose text.

Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by pjmlp on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:37AM (#18587012)
The OEM specific Linux distributions did not help as well.

Which like Android afterwards, kind of proved the point of what happens when OEMs get to ship their own distributions.

Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by bklaasen on Sunday December 02, 2018 @08:41PM (#18585777)
> Netbooks were a fad

I've got a Samsung NC10[1] running Haiku beautifully. It's a 32-bit machine with just 2Gb of RAM and it's never run so smartly. I'm very impressed by Haiku's stability and consistency. The extended attributes on files are an eye-opener. Your mail client is a settings window, a compose window and a file manager. Just add the attributes you need for email to the list view.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_NC10

Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by pjmlp on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:34AM (#18587006)
The fact that Google has added support for Android and officially exposed the underlying Linux subsystem, proves that outside the US school system, they are hardly getting any major sales.

Otherwise they wouldn't need to pivot it into a general laptop OS.

Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by Klonoar on Sunday December 02, 2018 @11:00PM (#18586232)
This is so incredibly niche, though. The average person wouldn't run half this stuff.
Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by chipotle_coyote on Monday December 03, 2018 @12:34AM (#18586566)
The idea of the "average person" is always something of a red herring, though. The stuff the OP listed was:

- Safari

A lot of people run web browsers.

- Firefox (streaming audio)

A lot of people stream audio.

- A program converting a 500 page PDF to 500 300dpi PNGs

That's a weird one, sure.

- A bash script extracting PDFs from a municipal web site.

Also weird, but "average people" need to do some kind of automation once in a blue moon, so let's not discount that.

- A program downloading my video viewing for the week and converting it to a format better suited for my iPad

The conversion is unusual, but people download videos to their iPad.

- iTunes serving audio and video to TVs in two different rooms

A little niche, but "media server" is still a thing.

- An FTP program doing weekly backups

Backups are a thing. A thing more people should be doing, but definitely a thing.

- A mail client

Not niche at all.

- A VPN client

Not niche if your office requires a VPN. A lot do.

- A spreadsheet

Definitely not niche.

- An IDE (Coda2)

Sorta niche-y, but think of it as "text editor" and it's less so: it could be a word processor, or Scrivener.

Re:What makes BeOS and Haiku unique by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday December 03, 2018 @08:06AM (#18588439)
Must we always trot out the "average user" as an excuse for why things suck?