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Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jdietrich on Monday November 01, 2010 @03:57PM (#1857960)
None of these are red flags. Al-Qaeda might be fundamentalist arseholes, but they're not stupid. Imagine you've been to a terrorist training camp. You're packing your bags to fly home to the US. Are you going to pack a bullet, a box of Bin Laden crackers and a Burqa? It's like arresting a kid in a Hamburglar outfit because he's got a mask, a striped shirt and a swag bag.

The obvious red flags aren't red flags because they're obvious. If someone isn't smart enough to realise that, they're not smart enough to pose any real threat. We're dealing with focused people who know that huge resources are going into finding them. What we're looking for is people trying to conceal their actions and obfuscate their movements. By jumping on a chair and screaming "Aaaagh, terrorist!" every time we see a piece of Islamica, we're just reinforcing the idea that people are suspicious for 'looking Muslim'.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by aperiodic on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:09PM (#1858007)
The Christmas Day Bomber was an 18-24 unaccompanied male without baggage who purchased a ticket, in cash, to Detroit, without wearing any kind of winter clothing. I don't know how many more "obvious red flags" you can raise, and yet he still managed to get onto a plane with explosives. You can't discount any obvious signals on the presumption that the real threats are too smart to send them.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jdietrich on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:45PM (#1858156)
Not only did we miss all those "obvious red flags", but we missed the much bigger ones. His own father had reported him to the CIA. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was banned from entering the UK. British intelligence had informed the US authorities that an Umar Farouk had consorted with a known extremist and that he was intent on jihad.

The fact that he didn't have a warm coat is absolutely irrelevant. We had high-quality intelligence against him but failed to act upon it in any way. We need to worry less about whether someone looks shifty at an airport and worry more about keeping tabs on people who we have strong intelligence on.

It is also worth stating that his attack failed and he was unable to damage anything other than his own groin.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by mrtron on Monday November 01, 2010 @05:07PM (#1858230)
That should be the most enraging part about the 'airline security'.

The recent cargo bomb was missed despite multiple tips about that specific item as well!

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by mcantelon on Monday November 01, 2010 @07:39PM (#1858672)
US intelligence knew he was an Al Quaeda operative, yet allowed him to fly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab#The_a...

Terrorist attacks increase the funding of the intel and security institutions, so they have a vested interest in them occurring (and a state willing to kill tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq to advance its objectives likely has little problem sacrificing the odd planeload of its own citizens to maintain public support for its ambitions).

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by lsc on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:30PM (#1858097)
Aside from the 'buying tickets in cash' that sounds like me. A couple changes of underwear in the laptop bag and I'm good to go. quite often I get somewhere and end up needing to buy a jacket or something.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by achompas on Monday November 01, 2010 @05:05PM (#1858218)
A couple changes of underwear in the laptop bag and I'm good to go

Right, you're carrying something. It seems like the Christmas Day bomber wasn't carrying anything (aside from his bomb).

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by corin_ on Monday November 01, 2010 @09:06PM (#1858899)
Admitedly I've never done it on a long haul flight like Europe to America, but I have done that on 1-3 hour flights around Europe, just flying out for a meeting with nothing but a wallet, passport and phone.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by MartinCron on Tuesday November 02, 2010 @01:09AM (#1859347)
The one time I (30-ish unaccompanied male) bought a ticket at the airport on the day of flight and flew without checked bags, I actually did get some extra scrutiny.

So, the red flags are noticed at least sometimes.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jacoblyles on Monday November 01, 2010 @06:18PM (#1858464)
Maybe we should have a policy of not interrogating people who carry live ammunition on planes or returning from countries known to harbor terrorists because no real terrorist would be so inept.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by NickPollard on Monday November 01, 2010 @05:12PM (#1858246)
Next time I'm planning large-scale terrorism in the US, I'll make sure to bring some Osama candy then so they'll assume I'm an idiot and let me go.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by something on Monday November 01, 2010 @07:12PM (#1858610)
You're making a joke, but this whole story does suggest that it might be good strategy to send a few "red flag" passengers along with the actual terrorist that is careful to appear as a "conforming" passenger. false positives hide real positives.

it does make you wonder to what extent such decoys have been accounted for in the overall security strategy.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jballanc on Monday November 01, 2010 @07:38PM (#1858668)
My guess would be: not at all.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by apgwoz on Monday November 01, 2010 @05:57PM (#1858396)
... and you're now on the watch list.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by sliverstorm on Monday November 01, 2010 @05:39PM (#1858337)
One of these days we'll get to the point where the terrorists are so good at blending in and being 'un-obvious', they are going to have to start interrogating people for being too ordinary rather than too islamic. You catch people on their slip-ups, but the ones we should fear the most are the ones with no slip-ups, so we are left with no other option!
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by gaius on Monday November 01, 2010 @06:04PM (#1858421)
None of these are red flags.

Carrying explosives onto a plane most certainly is a red flag...

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by ynniv on Monday November 01, 2010 @06:42PM (#1858540)
A bullet is an explosive? Really? http://xkcd.com/651/
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jemfinch on Monday November 01, 2010 @08:46PM (#1858855)
Gunpowder is an explosive, and gunpowder is in unused bullets.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by ynniv on Tuesday November 02, 2010 @12:42AM (#1859305)
You're being naive. The chemical energy of the gunpowder in a bullet is (3 kilojoules / gram) * 4 grams (M16 round) = 12 kilojoules.

A 17" MacBook Pro battery contains 95 watt hours = 342 kilojoules. Effectively using the battery as a weapon would require some creativity, but the battery contains almost 30 times as much energy as the bullet. And lithium ion batteries are known to explode in extreme circumstances.

But the point I would like to make is that it is inappropriate to make important decisions on vocabulary. Is an unused bullet any more of an "explosive" than a laptop battery? Is a long piece of broken glass a "blade over 3 inches"? These screening guidelines are simply guidelines, to be used in context. Should you allow someone to take live ammunition on a plan? Of course not. But when we expect customs officers to strongly interrogate someone who has already landed about a travel souvenir, the terrorists have already won.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by bluesnowmonkey on Tuesday November 02, 2010 @01:06AM (#1859338)
A "bullet" is the lead projectile that comes out the barrel of a gun. Bullets do not contain gunpowder.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by gaius on Tuesday November 02, 2010 @03:45AM (#1859603)
Errm, yes, I'm sure the next border guards you meet will confirm that that's what the rules say.

Even GSR on your hands will get you grilled at Heathrow, I speak from experience there.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by confuzatron on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:04PM (#1857991)
Al-Qaeda might be fundamentalist arseholes, but they're not stupid.

You're over-generalising; I reckon there are plenty of idiots in Al-Quaeda.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jemfinch on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:22PM (#1858061)
The Al-Qaeda that we have any reason to fear aren't idiots. The idiots will be caught whether or not they have Osama bin Laden candy in their carryons.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by ceejayoz on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:31PM (#1858107)
THe Al-Qaeda that we have any reason to fear are often using idiots to carry out attacks. Most of them screw up and get caught, or blow themselves up, or chicken out. It's a volume game, and it's very hard to fight.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by pyre on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:55PM (#1858186)
But we shouldn't fight it by suspecting anyone and everyone. That's like suggesting that we should burn down entire villages, just because we can't be sure which of the local is or isn't an insurgent.
Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by pbhjpbhj on Monday November 01, 2010 @07:53PM (#1858715)
>But we shouldn't fight it by suspecting anyone and everyone.

Does people carrying bullets constitute everyone?

If he'd come from North America with a balaclava, copy of the hackers handbook, candy box featuring a picture of David Koresh and a bullet do you think he wouldn’t have been searched and added to a watch-list?

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by jacoblyles on Monday November 01, 2010 @06:08PM (#1858430)
The population of people traveling to countries populated by terrorists and carrying suspicious articles is much smaller than the general population. If we allow the government to conduct any anti-terrorist programs at all, it makes sense to employ such coarse filters to narrow down the number of people they keep an eye on.

Unfortunately there's no way to conduct surveillance only on guilty people.

Re:The Day US Customs Found A Bullet In My Pocket by lukesandberg on Monday November 01, 2010 @04:31PM (#1858103)
Here's one view on the matter:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-case...

and there is plenty of reason to be afraid of an idiot if they have access to bombs.