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Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by amerine on Saturday December 01, 2018 @05:17AM (#18576153)
Why do you think that?
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by onetimemanytime on Saturday December 01, 2018 @05:30AM (#18576184)
A head of state such as SA, known to buy latest tech and hacking tools, to use un-encrypted messages? I'm wondering if CIA has a way in encrypted chats and only uses that info in rare instances--and even then without confirming anything. But MBS knows what he used...
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by leroy_masochist on Saturday December 01, 2018 @09:14AM (#18576833)
These guys are not exactly masters of tradecraft; look at the wet work team's ham-handed attempt to impersonate Khashoggi leaving the embassy. Or for that matter, pretty much any aspect of that whole operation. Smooth operators they are not.

Also, the KSA is basically a one-man dictatorship at this point. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the Saudi COMSEC guy is not giving MBS a stern talking-to every time he does impulsive 31-year-old dictator stuff like, for example, using unsecure messaging services to communicate with his goons while they're murdering a dissident overseas.

Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by kenny87 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @10:03AM (#18577034)
yeah, we often overestimate the general OPSEC awareness and measures these guys take. I mean doing this in a foreign embassy, in Turkey of all places, in the foyer? When I worked overseas our security people told us to assume everything is bugged ... they swept the SCIF everyday, and before any meeting where sensitive information is discussed. Basically, anything not in the SCIF is capable of being monitored/hacked by intelligence services.
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by jocoda on Saturday December 01, 2018 @10:02AM (#18577032)
... or it could be simple arrogance. The certainty that there would be no comebacks or consequences ...
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by onetimemanytime on Saturday December 01, 2018 @12:29PM (#18577741)
after reading https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/kzjmze/saud-al-qa... I think they are screwed, too much money and no in house INFOSEC.

Whoever they hire, is likely to be in touch with foreign secret services before they do the job. The fact that they have a common fixer posting on forums to buy zero days is very amateurish and shows their sorry state. USA, Russia, China, UK etc all have homegrown expert with security clearances doing that stuff.

Maybe MBS is too dumb to use open source apps like Signal, who knows?

Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by vehementi on Saturday December 01, 2018 @08:59AM (#18576781)
Or, they murder people with such frequency and lack of consequence that, why bother encrypting? Why would anyone pay attention this time?
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by kenny87 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @10:04AM (#18577039)
yeah sad, but true.
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by mbesto on Saturday December 01, 2018 @11:24AM (#18577382)
Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state for arguably the most technically advanced country in the world used a private server to send classified information.

Assumptions like these are dangerous.

Note - do not turn this into a "but her emails" discussion.

Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by AJ007 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:33PM (#18578092)
A non technical person who has access to droves of intelligence gleaned from spying may be unaware that they have nothing but a very superficial comprehension as to what is actually going on.

I would venture to say that a great number of leaders in the west, east, developed and developing countries could not describe how a computer works. Don’t bother asking them about encryption.

Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by baybal2 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @06:54AM (#18576391)
There was a bank in Russia that hired a dude better known under a moniker "Pchela" to enforce use of pgp, and infosec in general.

He devised a plan under which staff is trained, tested, and punished for incompliance.

Once the whole of banks ~1200 people staff got certified, they set a deadline for enforcement after which anybody caught will be fired on spot.

The day after the deadline they spotted ~60 people in the bank sending plaintext, or replying to an unsigned email. And among them, one director level employee.

They had to fire them all, including a directress who went on trying to suing them for years.

Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by baybal2 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @08:05AM (#18576604)
I wanted to say here that powerful and smart people are not immune at all to doing stupid things if they have no discipline.
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by misnome on Saturday December 01, 2018 @09:24AM (#18576885)
This sounds interesting, but I can't seem to find the story. Any other information to help track it down?
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by baybal2 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @10:48AM (#18577218)
That's an account I got first hand. The bank in question is Asia Pacific Bank. A small regional bank in Russian far east.
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by ryanlol on Saturday December 01, 2018 @10:17AM (#18577090)
>known to buy latest tech and hacking tools, to use un-encrypted messages?

Google “nokia2mon”, the saudis are definitely not masters of tradecraft.

He was very active on a US based hacking forum for years, and everyone knew he worked for KSA.

Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by arcticfox on Saturday December 01, 2018 @11:54AM (#18577553)
If anyone's curious, it took me a minute to find: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/kzjmze/saud-al-qa...
Re:CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Tar... by ianai on Saturday December 01, 2018 @06:30AM (#18576332)
Or they used any of a number of more traditional methods to surveil him. Hidden cameras, spies, etc