Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by baddox on Sunday December 02, 2018 @03:09AM
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> Yet the connection has remained hazy and fraught, with many studies failing to account for confounding variables, such as height and socioeconomic status.
> Height is correlated with higher better cognitive performance, for example, but also with bigger brain size, so their study attempted to zero in on the contribution of brain size by itself.
Interesting. I couldn’t initially think of any plausible explanation for why height would cause intelligence. Perhaps taller people on average are considered more attractive or given higher social status, which could provide developmental advantages. Or perhaps there is another confounding variable here, like health/nutrition or nationality.
I can’t seem to find any studies on height and intelligence. Anyone have any ideas or links?
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by bloak on Sunday December 02, 2018 @05:46AM
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Whether tall people are considered more attractive will almost certainly depend on local culture, and fashion, but I think I read about a study showing that in one particular European city taller women tended to marry someone from a higher social class.
However you define "social class", you'll probably find higher social class is associated with higher intelligence, however you define "intelligence".
There are loads of research papers on "height" and "social class", though perhaps they are mostly concerned with nutrition rather than genetics.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by danieltillett on Sunday December 02, 2018 @05:58AM
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Height and intelligence are only correlated in the general population, not within families. The current hypothesis is there is not a direct genetic connection, but it is due to assortive mating.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by pessimizer on Sunday December 02, 2018 @09:29AM
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> Interesting. I couldn’t initially think of any plausible explanation for why height would cause intelligence.
Science is no longer interested in explanations, correlation is enough to assume causal "contribution."
I honestly think that taller people could be smarter simply because they're more often looking down at the person they're asking for an explanation from. It's a lot easier to ignore or brush off someone who is looking up at you.
edit: I also had a little sister (14 years younger) who was very tall as a child, although by adulthood she fell back closer to the norm (she's only about 5'10" now.) It was amusing to our family how carefully strangers explained concepts to her that were well beyond her age level to understand; because her height made her look older, it also made her look stupid for her age, and invited special attention from people who didn't realize how young she was. We use height as a proxy for age, and put pressure on taller people to be smarter earlier.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by freshhawk on Sunday December 02, 2018 @05:20AM
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We already know good nutrition makes you taller and smarter. I thought this was basically settled, hence the implicit knowledge of the researchers of the height/intelligence link and not much discussion about it.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by baddox on Sunday December 02, 2018 @03:26AM
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> Their analyses also systematically controlled for sex, age, height, socioeconomic status, and population structure, measured using the participant's genetics.
I’m a woefully unqualified armchair researcher/statistician, but I always enjoy speculating on potential confounding variables that weren’t controlled for.
As the article mentions, there is an obvious naive candidate explanation for why people with larger brains would be smarter (more computing hardware). But I find it fun to guess at reasons there might not be a causal relationship.
It’s nice to see the researcher doing the same exercise:
> "However, things could be much more complex in reality. For example, consider the possibility that a bigger brain, which is highly heritable, is associated with being a better parent. In this case, the association between a bigger brain and test performance may simply reflect the influence of parenting on cognition. We won't be able to get to the bottom of this without more research."
I wonder what exactly is meant there. Is he speculating that a larger brain directly provides better parenting ability? Or that perhaps generations ago a family with a useless gene that causes large brains also happened to have another unrelated gene that gave them better parenting abilities, and thus both genes ended up being reproduced a lot? How would you even control for this? Maybe adopted children?
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by smoll on Sunday December 02, 2018 @05:08AM
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> I wonder what exactly is meant there. Is he speculating that a larger brain directly provides better parenting ability? Or that perhaps generations ago a family with a useless gene that causes large brains also happened to have another unrelated gene that gave them better parenting abilities, and thus both genes ended up being reproduced a lot?
My guess is something closer to the former, that the two sets of genes are linked https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_linkage and there’s a direct causal relationship between the two. Therefore, it’s actually the “better parental ability” trait is the one that produces the positive result and not the “bigger brain” trait. So yes, adopted children could help falsify this hypothesis.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by marsrover on Sunday December 02, 2018 @09:29AM
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This actually happened to my wife. Our daughters head was too big to fit through the birth canal and when she came out (c-section) her head was in the 90th percentile for size.
Looks like we can circumvent that bottleneck with modern medicine but then we run the risk of introducing new problems (faulty immune systems and risk to the mother for example)
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by jobigoud on Sunday December 02, 2018 @10:16AM
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> We evolved to have big brains
Neanderthals had the bigger brain, (1600 cm³ vs 1300 cm³ according to wikipedia) and we still extincted them so it doesn't appear to be an ultimate evolutionary advantage.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by akvadrako on Sunday December 02, 2018 @07:37AM
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Yes, large brains are obviously very important.
The article says the maximum difference is 100 cm³ while the largest brains are about 1500 cm³, so on average 7% larger means 2% smarter.
But I think a couple of things come into play - one is that our genes might be optimised for a certain size and it's not simple to scale, but requires reprogramming. At least in some species, larger brains just means larger neurons, not more of them.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by xenadu02 on Sunday December 02, 2018 @02:36AM
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"The authors underscore that the overarching correlation between brain volume and "braininess" was a weak one; no one should be measuring job candidates' head sizes during the hiring process, Nave jokes. Indeed, what stands out from the analysis is how little brain volume seems to explain. Factors such as parenting style, education, nutrition, stress, and others are likely major contributors that were not specifically tested in the study"
The tl;dr is their research found that 2% of cognitive differences can be attributed to brain volume, indicating intelligence is influenced primarily by other factors.
They also found that though male and female brains differed in size that didn't produce a statistically significant difference in outcomes, but the study didn't tackle this specific issue so they couldn't say much else definitive about it (the cortex construction speculation notwithstanding).
I applaud them for pre-publishing their methodology and their commitment to publish regardless of the results.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by mdorazio on Sunday December 02, 2018 @03:12AM
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I've read previously that it's not absolute brain size that matters, but rather brain size relative to body size, hence the lack of difference in intelligence between genders. This makes sense as well since we don't see hyper intelligent whales or elephants building space ships.
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by bryananderson on Sunday December 02, 2018 @10:18PM
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> They pre-registered the study, meaning they published their methods and committed to publishing ahead of time so they couldn't simply bury the results if the findings appeared to be insignificant.
Am I crazy for thinking that this should be mandatory for all peer-reviewed research?
Re:Bigger brains are smarter, but not by much
by Lerc on Sunday December 02, 2018 @01:13AM
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Once upon a time I had half an idea to leaverage this fact for a story involving genetically engineered pygmy marmosets. They were modified to have human brain structure but retaining their size. Ideal crew for space missions. Fast forward to a time when they dominate space and seek independence.
> Height is correlated with higher better cognitive performance, for example, but also with bigger brain size, so their study attempted to zero in on the contribution of brain size by itself.
Interesting. I couldn’t initially think of any plausible explanation for why height would cause intelligence. Perhaps taller people on average are considered more attractive or given higher social status, which could provide developmental advantages. Or perhaps there is another confounding variable here, like health/nutrition or nationality.
I can’t seem to find any studies on height and intelligence. Anyone have any ideas or links?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence
However you define "social class", you'll probably find higher social class is associated with higher intelligence, however you define "intelligence".
There are loads of research papers on "height" and "social class", though perhaps they are mostly concerned with nutrition rather than genetics.
Nobel prize winners seem to be average in height.
ALL, really?
Science is no longer interested in explanations, correlation is enough to assume causal "contribution."
I honestly think that taller people could be smarter simply because they're more often looking down at the person they're asking for an explanation from. It's a lot easier to ignore or brush off someone who is looking up at you.
edit: I also had a little sister (14 years younger) who was very tall as a child, although by adulthood she fell back closer to the norm (she's only about 5'10" now.) It was amusing to our family how carefully strangers explained concepts to her that were well beyond her age level to understand; because her height made her look older, it also made her look stupid for her age, and invited special attention from people who didn't realize how young she was. We use height as a proxy for age, and put pressure on taller people to be smarter earlier.
Cite? Some journalism about science, perhaps, but your brush is broad enough to be absurd at best.
Maybe it's a bit much to say it's no longer interested in explanations, but there's a lot of bad science being published.
I’m a woefully unqualified armchair researcher/statistician, but I always enjoy speculating on potential confounding variables that weren’t controlled for.
As the article mentions, there is an obvious naive candidate explanation for why people with larger brains would be smarter (more computing hardware). But I find it fun to guess at reasons there might not be a causal relationship.
It’s nice to see the researcher doing the same exercise:
> "However, things could be much more complex in reality. For example, consider the possibility that a bigger brain, which is highly heritable, is associated with being a better parent. In this case, the association between a bigger brain and test performance may simply reflect the influence of parenting on cognition. We won't be able to get to the bottom of this without more research."
I wonder what exactly is meant there. Is he speculating that a larger brain directly provides better parenting ability? Or that perhaps generations ago a family with a useless gene that causes large brains also happened to have another unrelated gene that gave them better parenting abilities, and thus both genes ended up being reproduced a lot? How would you even control for this? Maybe adopted children?
My guess is something closer to the former, that the two sets of genes are linked https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_linkage and there’s a direct causal relationship between the two. Therefore, it’s actually the “better parental ability” trait is the one that produces the positive result and not the “bigger brain” trait. So yes, adopted children could help falsify this hypothesis.
Looks like we can circumvent that bottleneck with modern medicine but then we run the risk of introducing new problems (faulty immune systems and risk to the mother for example)
Neanderthals had the bigger brain, (1600 cm³ vs 1300 cm³ according to wikipedia) and we still extincted them so it doesn't appear to be an ultimate evolutionary advantage.
The article says the maximum difference is 100 cm³ while the largest brains are about 1500 cm³, so on average 7% larger means 2% smarter.
But I think a couple of things come into play - one is that our genes might be optimised for a certain size and it's not simple to scale, but requires reprogramming. At least in some species, larger brains just means larger neurons, not more of them.
The tl;dr is their research found that 2% of cognitive differences can be attributed to brain volume, indicating intelligence is influenced primarily by other factors.
They also found that though male and female brains differed in size that didn't produce a statistically significant difference in outcomes, but the study didn't tackle this specific issue so they couldn't say much else definitive about it (the cortex construction speculation notwithstanding).
I applaud them for pre-publishing their methodology and their commitment to publish regardless of the results.
Am I crazy for thinking that this should be mandatory for all peer-reviewed research?