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Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by saagarjha on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:28PM (#18557814)
> Going down on any of them is going to be exactly the same as going down at the same speed on a motorcycle.

I'm all for better safety, but I think this is an overreaction. I'd compare falling off a scooter to be similar to falling off a bike–you're dealing with similar speeds and similar weight vehicles in both.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by _coveredInBees on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:55PM (#18557946)
The problem though, is that scooters have terrible dynamic stability in comparison to bicycles which thanks to conservation of angular momentum and large wheels, are very easy to control and remain upright on when traveling at speed. In contrast, even small things like hitting a small rock/bump the wrong way can destabilize someone on a scooter and lead to an accident.

Falling off a bike/scooter at similar speeds obviously ends with similar results, but I'd be confident to wager that the probability of an accident is a lot higher on a scooter due to the point above.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by japhyr on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:43PM (#18557885)
> I'd compare falling off a scooter to be similar to falling off a bike

I agree, and I've fallen off a bike a number of times. I have a few scars to show for it, and I would probably not be here if I hadn't worn a helmet during one of those accidents.

You very quickly reach speeds on a bike, and a scooter, where going down is going to mean significant injury even with the proper gear. Without safety gear, you're looking at life-changing or life-ending injuries.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by dymk on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:52PM (#18557931)
Eh - I've fallen off a bike twice at relatively low speeds, and both time I've broken a bone (first time a finger, second time a scaphoid fracture).

I think it's important not to under-react just because the speeds are lower than a motorcycle - all those bones in our limbs break just as well at 10mph. When on a bike or a scooter, scaphoid wrist protection and at least a jacket on at all times, for me.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by tomcam on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:11PM (#18558029)
What about the danger to pedestrians hit by the driver of a scooter?
Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by dymk on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:16PM (#18558058)
The risk is lower on a scooter than on a motorcycle. We don't have to over-correct though, and treat scooters like they're _that much_ safer than a motorcycle.

The most dangerous thing we can do is let ourselves mentally relax when we're on one, as if we're not on a big sharp chunk of (relatively) fast metal and inertia.

A helmet wearing person slamming headfirst into the nape of somebody's neck at 15 or 50 miles per hour is probably going to kill them.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by masonic on Thursday November 29, 2018 @01:49AM (#18558555)

  The risk is lower on a scooter than on a motorcycle. 
On the road, yes. But motorcycles don't routinely take the sidewalks.
Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by peteey on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:28PM (#18558109)
The pedestrian won't hear the scooter coming.
Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by around_here on Thursday November 29, 2018 @01:08AM (#18558425)
Bicycles powered by humans are "helmets only" mostly out of necessity. You're generating a lot of heat, and things can go really badly for you if you're working up a sweat in full motorcycle gear.

Well, talking about the weight of the vehicle is a red herring here. With the exception of getting hit/crushed by the vehicle, the human component of going down is all about speed, fleshy weight, and ride-height.

I'm also not expecting people to ATGATT while on the scooters, but without doing that, injuries are definitely going to rise with increased use.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by TipVFL on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:34PM (#18557848)
Yeah, I've gone down on a motorcycle at a low speed and I crushed my foot. On a bicycle it would have just been scrapes.

I stopped motorcycling after that.

Re:Electric scooters are causing injuries and accidents by virmundi on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:38PM (#18557863)
I agree, but think of the change to Valley culture. Everyone wearing leathers or plate armor jackets. Full wrap face helmets and MBP's at all of the eateries. Eventually we could see roving gangs of electric biker faangs with their corporate emblems displayed widely across their backs. Soon territory disputes with comments like "Get outta here, crapple!"