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Re:Dropping Acid by zamalek on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:33AM (#18549505)
It's amazing that the iconic dance/trance clap (the clap after 1:15 in Acid Tracks) was forged alongside the 303. This exact sample (or an unbelievably similar one) could be heard throughout the late 90's and still features in many tracks today. It's the Wilhelm Scream of EDM.

Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. Liquid was a fantastic exploration of the nature of sound, with many types of dynamics for a single instrument. EDM receives as lot of criticism for its lack of humanity and skill (regarding playing an instrument), but the same could be said of Beethoven or Bach: they were merely creating scores for an orchestra to play. EDM can be the same type of approach, only we now have ways to explore sound that simply weren't available to the great composers.

Re:Dropping Acid by dylan604 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:12AM (#18549619)
We used sit around and joke about the type of music that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc would do with studio equipment from today, but without letting them hear anything produced with them. Would they create similar compositions just with new voices? Seems logical as that's what they "knew". Or would the new eventually end up completely changing styles with the capabilities of the new instruments. Yes, we'd conveniently ignore the fact most of this gear benefits from computers/sequences, but just a synth and the different sound devices. Here's some keys, knobs, buttons and flashy lights. Go to it!
Re:Dropping Acid by eru on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @08:19AM (#18551188)
The Well-Tempered Clavier was a novelty in JS Bach's time. He did write new music just for it.
Re:Dropping Acid by kortex on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @07:15AM (#18550914)
Speaking of Wilhelm Screams of music, the Amen break is nearly as ubiquitous as the 808 clap. It helped catalyze Hip-hop, while Rave, and then Jungle and dnb, were virtually born out of that loop as Athena was born from Zeus' skull.

https://youtu.be/5SaFTm2bcac

Re:Dropping Acid by pgreenwood on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:12AM (#18549795)
Yes I think would be the Roland 808 clap sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipMPb0MZr3w

Re:Dropping Acid by ta7687 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:45AM (#18549548)
My inner pedant compels me to point out that Beethoven and Bach were both virtuosos, though your point still stands.
Re:Dropping Acid by scns on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:25AM (#18550275)
I do not think you are being pedantic at all. I am trying to come up with kind words, but the line "they were merely creating scores" is absolutely ridiculous IMO.
Re:Dropping Acid by emptyfile on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:39AM (#18550326)
>Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance.

No it didn't, psytrance came from goa trance for which the foundations were laid in the 80's before trance popper was a thing. And what is liquid trance? Never heard of it.

But not to make this post just about whining, here's possibly the first trance track ever made, since we're talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9pH9C7Oew I'm not from the 90's so I can only imagine how shocking this music must have been 23 years ago.

Re:Dropping Acid by stef25 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @05:37AM (#18550534)
It goes much further back than that.

Psytrance came out of early german trance from labels such as Sven Vaeth's Eye-Q.

Eye-Q 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lApfaxi0QZw

Harthouse 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d146LKl2ixU

This was Goa in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnBz6IOolk a very special period in time

Re:Dropping Acid by strainer on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @07:08AM (#18550883)
"What time is love" seems related, by the KLF in 1988. It sounds to me like the 303 might feature there as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7lwdui4HY

The KLF became more theatrical and were the biggest singles selling act in the world in 1991, then retired in 92, ceremonially burnt a million pounds and deleted their entire back catalog.

This sort of techno-poetry track from Anne Clark in 1984, "Our Darkness" seems related to "What time is love". Although its surely not trance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rK7oT1mnf8

Re:Dropping Acid by paganel on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @09:27AM (#18551667)
> I'm not from the 90's so I can only imagine how shocking this music must have been 23 years ago.

I'm a kid of the late '80s and '90s and that wouldn't have been shocking for mainstream listeners back then. I'm especially thinking of Eurodance music which was pretty massive and popular in the early part of the '90s and which sounds very similar in some respects to the music in your YT link.

It's also true that times were different back then, and for the better, just look at the MTV Top 10 of 1994 [1] and you can see bands like GreenDay, Sound Garden, Nirvana or Smashing Pumpkins. These type of bands wouldn't make the top 10 of popularity charts in this day and age (with the exception of GreenDay, probably). I mean, just look at this "Black Hole Sun" video [2] from Sound Garden which 13-year old me was watching during prime-time on MTV while doing my homework, this was seen as totally normal back then. Nowadays I'm afraid these type of music-videos and art-creation in general are out of prime-time media. The '90s were a lot more daring than today.

[1] http://www.jjheath.com/MTV1994.html

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

Re:Dropping Acid by amanaplanacanal on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:59AM (#18553189)
Also from the same year as Age of Love: We Came in Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc9391UXPO8
Re:Dropping Acid by jezp on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:17AM (#18550246)
This is not correct. Psytrance evolved from Goa/psychedelic trance.
Re:Dropping Acid by weavie on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @05:46AM (#18550578)
Some early Goa was very influenced by acid.. Take Cosmosis for example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGxgZh0SkNE

But sadly and much to my dismay the 303 didn't last long in the scene. It's really hard to find any acid lines in goa/psy tracks after about 1998 or so..

Re:Dropping Acid by jasey on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @05:59AM (#18550630)
There’s a tone of acid in the more main stream psy these days...I can’t really speak about goa however
Re:Dropping Acid by weavie on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @08:22AM (#18551204)
Nice. Got any tracks you can mention? I'm a bit out of touch now..
Re:Dropping Acid by jasey on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @05:57PM (#18556481)
Well its not as prevalent as I initially thought upon looking into my Spotify Psy-trance play list... I seems like I was thinking more about tech-trance. But never the less here is some examples I did find upon a quick look

Ellez Ria - Overdrive (Original Mix) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MoltyYRaM Acid lines are used pretty heavily throughout the track

Liquid Soul & Vini Vici - Universe Inside Me https://youtu.be/yvBK1rSUzTc?t=226 A acid line slowly filters in at 3:44

Liquid Soul & Zyrus 7 aka Talla 2XLC - The Future (Liquid Soul Mix) https://youtu.be/9Wm4PJszzuo?t=313 Two Acid lines start to filter in at 5:13

Re:Dropping Acid by weavie on Thursday November 29, 2018 @05:07PM (#18564567)
Yeah, those are tunes!