Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go

Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by mattigames on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:35PM (#18537836)

A great way to look into the future of languages is checking how many people is learning it now compared to the last few years, a great tool for that is google trends and things don't look good for PHP: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=p...

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by colecut on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:55PM (#18537933)

There is also this to consider

https://haydenjames.io/80-percent-web-powered-by-php/

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by The_Amp_Walrus on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:14PM (#18538066)

> Today, PHP is used by more than 80% of all the websites _whose server-side programming language we know_

I find it pretty annoying that they don't post stats on the websites that they couldn't classify. I think it's likely that their survey suffers from some level of survivorship bias: only websites that loudly announce their tech stack get counted.

So, how do they know which programming language is being used by a server? From https://w3techs.com/faq, they look at:

- HTML elements of web pages

- Specific HTML tags, for example the generator meta tag

- The URL structure of a site

- HTTP headers, for example cookies

- HTTP responses to specific requests, for example compression

I typically run Python / Django sites, and the only way, that you would know I'm running Python is a few Django-specific security/auth cookies. _Maybe_ that stuff gets picked up by their crawler. If I was running another Python web framework, like Flask, then you'd have no idea what kind of app server was sitting behind NGINX.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by chc on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:14PM (#18538071)

I suspect an enormous number of those are WordPress blogs and MediaWiki sites, and I don't feel like that number is very useful without breaking those out. It's a bit like saying Fortran is popular in data science because SciPy is implemented partly in Fortran — not so much an indicator of overall language health as it is an artifact of one product's popularity.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by PunchTornado on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:40PM (#18538587)

By your tool, then it means that javascript is dying: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=j...

Would you say that JS is dying?

Not to mention Java, which from Google trends it looks like it's an elephant half-way to the cemetery already https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=j...

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by ceejayoz on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:43PM (#18537875)

I'm not sure that's a great way to evaluate things.

Add in "Laravel" and things look pretty different: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=p...

I know I personally steer any newbie away from Googling up "php tutorial" - most of them are horrible, full of bad coding practices and vulnerabilities. I steer them to a good framework and suggest they peruse its docs.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by CydeWeys on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:12PM (#18538043)

This is a more fair comparison: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=p...

You can't just compare searches for tutorials on one platform against an entire other platform itself like that.

The vast, vast majority of PHP out there does not use Laravel.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by TigerHimself on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:50PM (#18537911)

So you are saying that PHP is dying since 2004. That’s ridiculous. There are new languages and more alternatives today that’s it.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by crimsonalucard on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:20PM (#18538110)

It just takes a long time for certain things to die.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by quickben on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:53PM (#18538322)

That argument can be made from the other side about golang being artificially kept alive by Google.

The comparison isn't on equal footing.

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by crimsonalucard on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:19PM (#18538479)

Is golang dying? Is it losing steam at all?

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by spejic88 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @07:51AM (#18541890)

so are you saying that for javascript the things are not looking good as well ?

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=p...

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Re:Goro – An implementation of PHP written in Go by mattigames on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:53PM (#18546567)

Not really, its a complex issue, look how five years ago "PHP tutorial" was more searched than JS tutorial but this year "JS tutorial" has almost the double than PHP: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

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