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Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by chasing on Friday November 23, 2018 @09:23PM (#18520081)
Wow, that’s the polar opposite of my experience (the “lacking a questioning mind” bit). Maybe you’re in the wrong program or studying a major that doesn’t fit your intellectual needs?

(Added later...) I don’t know what you’re studying. And I know philosophy and fine arts programs get shat on sometimes, but one thing those subjects allow (when taught properly) is a very, very deep questioning and thoughtfulness towards many things. In my experience, anyway.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by all2 on Friday November 23, 2018 @09:27PM (#18520097)
I was in Engineering, then Applied Math, now in computer science.

I don't do well in university style math classes. It takes me a long time working through something to understand what is happening (and why - the why of a thing is one of the first questions I ask when I'm learning something new).

It takes me about twice as long to learn a math concept as my peers (or so it seems). But I'm typically the first to speak up during a lecture.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by chongli on Friday November 23, 2018 @09:43PM (#18520160)
It takes me about twice as long to learn a math concept as my peers (or so it seems). But I'm typically the first to speak up during a lecture.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If you're anything like me, you hold yourself to a higher standard when it comes to understanding a concept. A lot of people I know (I'm in second year math) do way better than me on exams but can't even explain some of the basic concepts in the courses, like:

* what is a basis?

* what does it really mean to diagonalize a matrix?

They've mastered the on-paper calculations but haven't put any thought into the deeper meaning of these concepts. When I try to explain they give me an odd look, as if to ask why anyone would care about these things. Are we raising an entire generation of Clever Hanses? [1]

I think the problem with university is that it's become too closely correlated with economic and social status. Or perhaps it's always been that way, though in the past it was not so much a cause of status but an effect.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by WalterBright on Friday November 23, 2018 @10:00PM (#18520211)
Some universities teach "follow the rules", others teach "here's where the rules come from." I was fortunate enough to have attended one of the latter.

This was brought home to me when I had to calculate the moment of inertia of some gears in a gearbox. I started with the concept of MoI, and worked it out with a bit of calculus. Another engineer was looking over my work, and asked "what book did you get the formula for MoI out of?" (The shape of the gear was unusual and the book formulae didn't match.)

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by analog31 on Friday November 23, 2018 @10:11PM (#18520253)
It would actually surprise me if any university had the ability to impose an overall bias in one of those directions over the other. There would seem to be too much variation among the individual professors, teachers, students, etc.

Anecdotally, I live in the shadow of a Big Ten university, so I know a lot of academics, and I don't think any of them have expressed a "follow the rules" approach that I was able to discern. Likewise for the people I know who are K-12 teachers, private music teachers, and so forth.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by WalterBright on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:31AM (#18520622)
I don't know about any university, but at Caltech it was consistent that everything used was derived from first principles. There wasn't any "trust me, use this rule".
Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by mclehman on Saturday November 24, 2018 @11:44AM (#18522788)
That wasn't consistent at my school, but classes that did derive everything from first principles were consistently the best ones.
Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by analog31 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:32PM (#18525101)
I went to a small religious college, and my experience was similar to yours.

Edit: There were some exceptions, such as my double bass lessons.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by tartoran on Saturday November 24, 2018 @01:37AM (#18520817)
I think it depends on the choice of professors and lots of good ones do teach in not so Ivy League but in regular city univs. I had 50/50 hit and misses with professors in my university. I think that's a decently good number too..
Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by dsfyu404ed on Friday November 23, 2018 @11:51PM (#18520501)
How would gear tooth profile affect MoI?
Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by WalterBright on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:23AM (#18520591)
I just drew a box around half of the teeth. But the rest of the gear cross-section, being an airplane part, was sculpted to put material only where it was needed. Ideally, the strain at any point should be the same as any other point.

So the MoI was not simply a stackup of some stock shapes.

It's not that the calculation was particularly difficult, it's just that calculus was needed, and one couldn't just copy the formula for a stock shape.

It was just clear to me that some engineers were formula-pluggers and others learned it at a deeper level.

Stock shapes were certainly handy to check the math with, however. Fit the gear into a stock shape envelope, and have the gear envelope a stock shape. Your calculation should fall in between the results of those shapes.

The purpose of calculating the MoI was to determine if the stops at the end of the screw were strong enough to stop the gearbox without shattering.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by dsfyu404ed on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:29AM (#18520613)
>being an airplane part,

That explains it.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by WalterBright on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:33AM (#18520632)
<g>

Airplane parts are a whole 'nother world. I imagine that rocket parts take that to the nth level, which is one reason that working on rockets is the ultimate for an engineer. A real engineer would pay to work on an F1 engine design <g>.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by saagarjha on Friday November 23, 2018 @11:56PM (#18520517)
It would change the distribution of mass, presumably.
Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by chasing on Friday November 23, 2018 @09:42PM (#18520154)
Ask your professor questions, even if it feels weird to you. Go deep! Good professors and people truly interested in their fields of study will want to get into the nitty gritty with you — oftentimes the reason they can’t in class is more practical than anything: Lack of time, presumption of disinterest from students, etc. I have taught classes at universities and I’m always super-excited when students stick around wanting to talk more after class. It’s a sign that you’ve connected.

Maybe take a good literature or philosophy class if your university offers. They won’t help you understand CS (most likely — although some weird parallels can crop up), but they’ll expand your mind. If you let them!

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by godelmachine on Friday November 23, 2018 @09:35PM (#18520135)
>>It takes me about twice as long to learn a math concept as my peers (or so it seems). But I'm typically the first to speak up during a lecture.

This is actually an excellent habit, and you should nurture it as much as you can. It looks like you have done a careful SWOT analysis, and thats the way to go.

Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by known on Friday November 23, 2018 @11:51PM (#18520504)
Re:Going to university does not broaden the mind by shanghaiaway on Friday November 23, 2018 @09:49PM (#18520177)
Being a Marxist in art school is not being questioning.

Being a Marxist in business school would be, as would being a libertarian in art school.