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Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by azurezyq on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:18PM (#18454660)
Product has their lifecycle. Nothing lives forever even for AWS/Azure.

In GCP, if a product is GA, deprecation got announced ahead of time and customers got notified and workarounds generally there.

Enterprise products and consumer products are very different and subject to different terms. Please do not consider them as the same thing. (I really think that Google should name Google Cloud something else under Alphabet.)

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by cperciva on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:29PM (#18454764)
Nothing lives forever even for AWS/Azure.

Maybe not forever, but some things do live for a very long time. Amazon SimpleDB has been deprecated for over 5 years and Amazon works hard to discourage people from using it in any new applications... but it's still available and will continue to be available for the foreseeable future.

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by scarface74 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:45PM (#18454909)
And if you have a really old account you can still use an instance outside of a VPC. I’ve never heard of any service that AWS has just outright abandoned.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by mooreds on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @11:22PM (#18456839)
I used to teach AWS courses and had the same experience. I haven't heard of any service that has been disabled for an existing account.

Yes, you are strongly discouraged from using some services (simple db) by them hiding it. Yes, new accounts can't use certain services (ec2 classic). Yes, some old features cost more than newer better features (rrs s3).

But I wasn't able to point to any AWS service that had been shut down.

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by mooreds on Thursday November 15, 2018 @10:26AM (#18459946)
BTW, if someone can, would love to hear about it.

Also, to be fair, I don't know of any Google Cloud Service that has been shut down (as opposed to consumer facing Google services), but haven't been paying as much attention to that service.

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by kenhwang on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:32PM (#18456133)
We have a really old account, we still create instances in classic to this day. Every now and then we get some really bizarre problems that could be attributed to "account is ancient".
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by ghayes on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:20PM (#18454687)
I would add that AWS seems to moth-ball projects, where Google would officially announce an end-of-life. For example, I strongly regretted using AWS OpsWorks after I realized the only priority for AWS seemed to be keeping it running under SLA.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by Pxtl on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:29PM (#18454769)
If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by thrower123 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:42PM (#18454884)
I'm convinced that as long as there is a Windows operating system based on the Win32 API, WinForms cannot die.

It's still the nicest and most productive way to build GUI apps I've seen. Maybe not the prettiest, but it just works.

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by ygra on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:59PM (#18455033)
You should definitely give WPF a try. At least for me Windows Forms is way less productive and nice.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by momofarm on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:08PM (#18455991)
ever try QT or popular CEF based (actually, web-based) solution?

actually, I'm wondering at current moment, what's the choice of framework / OS to make a productive GUI?

or just fire those claimed-designer guy (probally your boss) let engineer do there job?

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by thrower123 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:36PM (#18456155)
Front-end web development of all stripes can burn in a fire, in my opinion; it's got the complication bug, and there's no cure. Unfortunately that's not going to happen, because worse is better, so here we are.

QT looks interesting, if I ever had to care about supporting Linux, but that's not my world.

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by momofarm on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @10:41PM (#18456693)
or how about let's go retro for all, try use command line / ncurse!

(.....And of course get cursed by your manager and boss)

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by scarface74 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:47PM (#18454925)
Not only will it not die, they are porting it over to .Net Core - Windows only.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by benaadams on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:23PM (#18456081)
> Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

They are also bringing WinForms and WPF forward to work on .NET Core 3.0; and its still supported https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2018/10/04/update-on...

Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by TomMarius on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:41PM (#18454875)
Windows Forms were also the only sensible option until at least 2014. Only after 2014 Microsoft has fully commited to one solution, before that it was very wild.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by thrower123 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:07PM (#18455982)
What is that solution? You're not talking about UWP, in it's myriad and shifting incarnations, are you?
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by TomMarius on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:22AM (#18457970)
To be honest I don't have much insight anymore, I left the .NET space around 2015 for these exact reasons.
Re:Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud by spiritcat on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:22PM (#18455675)
> Enterprise products and consumer products are very different and subject to different terms. Please do not consider them as the same thing.

Now watch as i consider them the same thing.

Personal anecdote: I had some basic question about their usage policy/pricing for one of their api's that was unclear in the docs. To get it answered by a real person was basically impossible. Our company does have a support contract, but only the person who controls the account is able to contact them. So to answer my simple question about making sure our usage was in-line with policy I'd have to go bug the bosses boss to ask them to forward my question to support and play the telephone game back and forth trying to interpret the answers.

Or try to contact sales since that's the only real person I could reach and have them answer my carefully and precisely worded question with a sales pitch.

Though, fwiw, we have been continuing to move stuff to gcp/gke despite my annoyances, and I do generally hold a positive view of the product.