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Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by minimaxir on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:30PM (#18454169)
Funny quote:

> “We’re not going to traffic in your personal life,” Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, said in an MSNBC interview. “Privacy to us is a human right. It’s a civil liberty.” (Mr. Cook’s criticisms infuriated Mr. Zuckerberg, who later ordered his management team to use only Android phones, since the operating system has far more users than Apple’s.)

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by samfisher83 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:36PM (#18454225)
If Tim cook believed this why is he taking billions from google to be the default search engine? Why not pick a more privacy friendly search engine?
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by xvector on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:45PM (#18454311)
Because no other search engine provides nearly as smooth an experience as Google.

Coincidentally, nothing is stopping privacy-conscious users to use, for example, DuckDuckGo. It's right there in the options on both macOS and Safari.

Finally, it's pretty absurd to say that Tim Cook/Apple don't believe in privacy. Out of all major consumer software/hardware manufacturers, Apple easily takes the most privacy-conscious stance of them all - which isn't saying much until you see the extent that they've gone to protect user privacy - ranging from the Secure Enclave and the T2 chip to fingerprinting and tracking prevention in Safari 12.

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by ric2b on Saturday November 17, 2018 @11:16AM (#18476066)
> Because no other search engine provides nearly as smooth an experience as Google.

DDG is actually smoother, it loads faster and is more lightweight on phone browsers.

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by ariwilson on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:47PM (#18454336)
If he was being honest, Cook would have said: "Privacy to us is a comparative advantage, because we can't make world class web products."

You can see the difference between these two statements in action in cases where Apple absolutely needs government approval and market share (China) or a good product (search engine / Google), they immediately ditch this "human right".

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by chowchowchow on Thursday November 15, 2018 @02:01AM (#18457440)
That comparative advantage has also made them the most valuable company in the world so your normative lens may be a bit biased — it seems like one could easily say googles comparative disadvantage is their business model precludes then from offering lucrative high margin privacy-protecting products.

The point about maps feels rather non germane as apple does have its own maps product.

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by ariwilson on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:37PM (#18463629)
What made them the most valuable company in the world was selling billions of <very expensive> phones, not their stance on privacy.

I didn't say anything about maps.

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by chowchowchow on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:46PM (#18463715)
> What made them the most valuable company in the world was selling billions of phones, not their stance on privacy.

Can't just be that as others sell more billions of phones, right?

> I didn't say anything about maps.

You're right, I misread that part of your post.

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by chickenfries on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:51PM (#18454377)
DuckDuckGo’s search results aren’t as good for the average user.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by seanhunter on Thursday November 15, 2018 @06:51AM (#18458536)
Not sure this is true. Just yesterday I had to explain to an average user how ddg was answering a query they couldn't get answered in google. This was a really basic thing (finding the NYC office address of a company we were working with). For some reason Google just wouldn't return the result whereas it was top hit on ddg.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by chickenfries on Thursday November 15, 2018 @10:35AM (#18460030)
My experience is the exact opposite. DDG works well for most things, especially programming, but when I want to find the address of a local business Google is much better, probably because they use my location.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:41PM (#18454274)
Because you've gotta pick your battles.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by lern_too_spel on Thursday November 15, 2018 @01:10PM (#18461690)
Remember when iOS had Facebook built in? I do. Apple's strategy has always been anything to make a buck.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by spiderPig on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:34PM (#18454211)
Zuck's always been a sore loser.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by dang on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:46PM (#18454316)
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.
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Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by grzm on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:18PM (#18455173)
'dang is one of the HN moderators.
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by phillipamann on Thursday November 15, 2018 @06:42AM (#18458507)
This is just corporate posturing. Apple recently banned VPN's that have the potential to block ads including Freedom [1].

[1] https://freedom.to/blog/freedom-has-been-temporarily-removed...

Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by izacus on Thursday November 15, 2018 @07:52AM (#18458841)
Interesting how this post got downvoted even if it links to a source. Anyone wants to weigh in why?
Re:Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Th... by snowwrestler on Thursday November 15, 2018 @09:27AM (#18459422)
Freedom is not an ad blocker; Apple has approved other apps that block ads; iOS ships with native support for ad blocking and VPNs.

It's a bummer for fans of Freedom that it got blocked, but it's not accurate to extrapolate that into some general Apple opposition to ad blocking.