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Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by avip on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:16PM (#18442664)
Alas, a walled garden is not the opposite of freedom. Indeed, in many places, living in a walled garden will make you factually freeer than your fellows outside.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by wool_gather on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:26PM (#18443355)
Particularly in this case we should note that while there may be lost freedom for some developers, there is an increase in freedom for some users. They gain the freedom to explore the wares available in the app market without spending (as much) time worrying about bad actors.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by Dotnaught on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:47PM (#18442967)
Your argument misrepresents the metaphor. It's the wall that's the barrier to freedom, not what goes on within.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by mattkevan on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:11PM (#18443205)
Freedom without boundaries and trust isn’t freedom but anarchy.

A game is only a game if all the players have a shared set of rules and can trust each other to stay within them. As soon as someone breaks the rules the game is over, and the freedom provided is lost.

Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by ilikehurdles on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:35PM (#18446972)
Both of these points are wrong.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by mattkevan on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:19AM (#18449296)
Thanks for the constructive criticism.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by avip on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:54PM (#18443045)
A wall can provide much freedom, depending on what’s outside. Freedom is a complicated term.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by Dotnaught on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:09PM (#18444924)
Freedom is slavery; ignorance is strength.

You're constructing a scenario to justify an abstract argument. The wall is the only salient feature in the walled garden metaphor. There's no terror lurking outside.

If you mean to imply that Apple's oversight has some advantages, such as security, that's a separate issue.

In the context of Apple's app store rules, the wall refers to Apple's rules. The absence of those rules does not reduce your freedom as a developer; you're can still abide by them without Apple requiring your to do so. But you have more choice without the rules.

Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by lvs on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:59PM (#18443716)
I think you're extending an analogy to a philosophical place it doesn't go: from a "walled garden" to "the rule of law in a free society." There are a variety of features of the latter that are not inherent in the former.

For example, justice in a free society should not be arbitrary and capricious. It should be fair and equal, and applied with discretion. A society where minor rules are difficult to understand but are enforced to the maximum extent is a tyranny.

Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by fatbird on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:37PM (#18442866)
This is an under-represented viewpoint. The freedom we constantly discuss in terms of app stores is freedom of possibility, but it comes at a cost in time and effort that reduces one's material freedom.
Re:My App Is Dead in the Water by richev on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:56PM (#18445283)
Doesn't it depend on the size of the garden, and the diversity within?