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Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by schnevets on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:49AM (#18442424)
As a New Yorker, I am super disappointed that they chose Long Island City. There were contenders where this stimulus could have been a paradigm shift. Instead, it's just a drop in the bucket for a city that is already growing recklessly.

My vote was for Newark, personally. Plenty of office space; access to NJIT, Rutgers, and Princeton; and good public transit that connects directly into NYC. Bezos and co. could have done some real good, but instead they will just be contributing to New York's biggest gripes (unsustainable subways, housing shortages, and an aggregation of labor into a few metropolitan areas).

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:26PM (#18442751)
> I am super disappointed that they chose Long Island City

Edward Glaeser's research on the economic and social benefits from density, summarized in Triumph of the City [1] and referenced in this guy's videos [2][3], is worth reviewing. Long story short, agglomeration breeds efficiencies which lead to further agglomeration. New York can uniquely offer things other cities can't because of its density. A few thousand people moving to Newark (assuming they're willing to move to Newark) won't bring those benefits there.

Over centuries, despite population growth and political upheavals, the relative size of cities in almost every geographic region is remarkably stable. That hints at deeper mechanisms which can't be unseated by something as small as Amazon moving.

Better policy: give people in Newark the support they need to move to wherever they like, whether that still be in Newark or somewhere else.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/books/review/Silver-t.htm...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWWtqfwacQ

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvAvHjYoLUU

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by schnevets on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:59PM (#18443095)
Triumph of the City sounds like something right up my alley. I'll have to add it to my reading list. Thanks
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by dionidium on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:43PM (#18444703)
I've read a handful of books on this subject -- it's a popular one, right now -- and Triumph of the City is my favorite so far.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by claydavisss on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:11PM (#18443206)
If this were necessarily true - that all industries would naturally gravitate to the regions of highest density - then why is so much of the banking industry now in North Carolina?
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:46PM (#18443578)
> all industries would naturally gravitate to the regions of highest density

I used a bit of shorthand, above, in saying "the relative size of cities in almost every geographic region is remarkably stable." Let me expand on "geographic region," because it reveals the tension that keeps the world from collapsing into Chongqing [1].

The size of a "geographic region" for this purpose is best defined as the distance the average economically-productive person can commute in a day. Back when people walked, towns tended to be about 10 miles apart. As transport technology improved, Manhattan ate its neighboring boroughs. It is now consuming Northern New Jersey and Connecticut. Barring a quantum leap in transportation tech, Charlotte is safe.

(On the seeds for dispersion: Certain economic activities, like mining and agriculture, occur somewhat independently of population centers. You go where the mineral veins and fertile land are. The fruits of those activities navigate the transportation geography, navigable waterways, flat areas across which rail lines can network and natural harbors, their wealth concentrating at the hubs. Thus, a fundamental industrial tension between distributed economic activity and the concentrating effects of transportation emerges.

In the modern world, those industrial distribution factors remain. Added to them are activities that are cheaper away from population centers, e.g. large-scale manufacturing and nuclear-power generation. Nevertheless, technology so far appears to be increasing the concentrating factor faster than the dispersion term by making (a) the distributed economic activities less labor-intensive and (b) increasing profits to those organizing our social structures-whether in finance, logistics or government–who benefit from the chance encounters proximity promotes.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by DerekL on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @07:05PM (#18446093)
A big reason banks are located in North Carolina is that they had laws that were friendly to large banks:

> But North Carolina was among the first states to allow banks to operate multiple branches within a state's borders.

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/bank_notes/2012/0...

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by patrickmay on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:55AM (#18442486)
I was really hoping for Raleigh and/or Dallas. Instead, Amazon picked two places where the cost of living is worse than Seattle.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by amyjess on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:06PM (#18442577)
As a Dallasite, I've been hoping we won't get it because it would send our housing prices through the stratosphere and ruin traffic for a generation.

From what I've seen, the reaction to this news on /r/Dallas is very positive. We don't want Amazon here.

(Though I figured it was going to be NoVa from the start. I was just terrified I'd be wrong.)

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by akhilcacharya on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:29PM (#18444038)
I'm from Raleigh but I"m not convinced Raleigh-area schools have the talent required and willing.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by electricslpnsld on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:46PM (#18444215)
The Triangle has a number of good schools: Duke and UNC are both in the top 25 CS programs in the US. I've worked with some NCSU CS grads in the past and they've also been great.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by akhilcacharya on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:47PM (#18444220)
Duke and UNC are tiny CS programs. I went to NC State, and it's definitely not in the same tier for undergrad.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by tjbarkley on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:58AM (#18442503)
Yeah, but some of the CEO's houses are in these two areas.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by melling on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:09PM (#18442599)
I was hoping for Newark too. They already have employees there. Perhaps they’ll eventually expand their offices.

Let’s get the NJ Path to the airport (3 miles) and the 7 Subway to NJ then Newark, Jersey City become boroughs of NYC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Subway_Extension

Currently, it looks like an hour from Newark Penn to Long Island City. Path to 1,2,3 Lines...

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by merolish on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:35PM (#18442852)
Newark would be a painful commute for anyone wanting to live in the boroughs, LI, or Westchester/CT, i.e. a ton of people.

I do hope NYC deals with its growing pains -- I finally left last year, in part because of rising costs and aggravation.

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by schnevets on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:04PM (#18443144)
After a decade in the city, I'll be moving to Westchester at the end of the year. When a "45 minute" subway commute started taking well over an hour and there's no possibility of owning your home, an hour on Metro North started looking a lot more viable.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by notyourwork on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:53AM (#18442461)
Seattle residents send their condolences.
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by murph-almighty on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:52PM (#18444785)
I'm kind of relieved I wasn't the only pro-Newark HN reader (though I am based in central NJ so I'll admit bias). I honestly think it's close enough to the city for it to work as an "NY" office, rent is cheaper and home ownership isn't a pipe dream, and it's close to an Amtrak stop that would allow quick access to the DC HQ!
Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by notyourday on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:50PM (#18442992)
I'm absolutely baffled why they did not select Newark as well. It is close enough to NYC via not only Amtrak and NJT but also via PATH, ripe for redevelopment ( already in progress ) but not yet so developed that the additional infrastructure is nearly impossible to add.

Adding a subway line to NYC subway is like herding a multiple feral cat colonies.

Re:Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for Ne... by epc on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:16PM (#18444487)
I suspect the utter inability of the region to solve the Portal Bridge and Hudson River Tunnels problem doomed Newark.