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Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by bunderbunder on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:19AM (#18440699)
I currently live in my first ever apartment that's heated by a furnace. We've seriously discussed moving again just to go back to having steam heat. The dry air from the forced air system makes the winter that much less pleasant.

The previous place had a fairly modern boiler, no more than a decade or two old. Being a tenant, I have the luxury of getting to largely ignore these things, but, from what I could tell, it required less maintenance than the current place's furnace.

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by overcast on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:43AM (#18441259)
Whole house bypass humidifiers are cheap ~$500, and pretty quick to setup and easy to maintain. It sits inline where the dry hot air exits the furnace. You tap into the hot water line from the boiler, and a little solenoid spills water onto an evaporator pad. Replace that once a season. Amazing how quickly your humidity will ramp up after that gets in there. Definitely should be mandatory with ANY forced air furnace.
Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by sandworm101 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:07AM (#18440995)
Dry air is only bad in dry climates. Im in the pacific northwest, a literal rain forest. Moisture is constant. We want that dry air to keep the house free of mold. And it can do a gew things steam cannot, such as move air around without adding heat, a great form of air conditioning without actual AC.
Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by wallace_f on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:39AM (#18440817)
To play devil's advocate: can't you just boil a pot of water, run a hot bath, or just buy some humidifiers to improve this?
Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by euroclydon on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:47AM (#18440865)
Having N sources of dry air (the vents) and one or two sources of humidity, scattered over your house, coming in and off all the time is a lot let desirable than a static system linked to your opening and closing of doors plus house leaks. It’s difficult to tune.
Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by wallace_f on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:21AM (#18442115)
Sure, less desirable, but you you can buy n humidifiers
Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by thrower123 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:19PM (#18444516)
That is the simplest method. I grew up with a hot-air wood furnace in the basement, and we just stuck a giant galvanized pan on top at the start of the ducting. About once a week I'd have to fill it back up.

Man, I miss wood heat.

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by astura on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:54AM (#18440895)
What maintenance does a forced air furnace need? Other than air filter changes?

I've only had steam heat.

I have a modern boiler and the only maintenance I have to do (so far) is pay a professional to do the yearly servicing.

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by jackhack on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @10:04AM (#18441445)
former HVAC tech here. Sorry for the wall of text but here's most of what I would do as a seasonal change-over inspection:

Every year, a full visual inspection of the heat exchanger, especially important after 5 years of life. We're looking for the first signs of perforation, and/or cracks. A "smoke test" isn't sufficient.

Visual inspection of ductwork take-offs on plenum - leaks, seals, etc. Same for system cabinet.

Check the safety switches -- roll out/limit sensor (millivolt), draft induction (exhaust blower) pressure switch, cabinet switches, etc.

Clean the flame sensor.

Visual inspection on the ignitor. Cracks = replace. Check values on start capacitor for blower motor. Replace if > +/- 15% of spec.

Blow out P-trap on condensor drain (only applies to condensing furnaces, of course -- the >85% efficiency models, but that's most of what is installed these days). Oil blower motor and draft induction fan bearings. Observe flame color.

After 10 years, or as needed, check exhaust with combustion analyzer for proper C0/C02 range.

Observe 2 startup/cool down cycles for proper operation. Look for proper ignition, flame color/depth/shape, listen for odd sounds that would indicate issues (vibration, flexing, etc.)

Replace the filter unless it's obviously new. (btw, This filter is there to protect the unit from dust/lint, not there to clean the air in the house.)

Replace CO detector battery Not just "ask homeowner to do it" but do it myself. Replace detector out of date (they only last 10 years or so). This is mandatory if you are operating a fuel burning appliance. And Remind homeowner to change smoke detector batteries.

Present a written report of all findings. Compare to last year's report -- look or trends. Keep copy of new on on record at the shop.

This takes about an hour. If your "HVAC Guy" just shimmies into your crawlspace or attic for 15 minutes before climbing back out and saying "everything looks great, see ya in the spring" you're risking your safety and being cheated. Most don't do the whole job. Also, what most shops call a "tune up" isn't anything of the sort; at best it's a cursory visual inspection with gauges on the A/C unit and a check of the start/run capacitors. Most don't even bother to oil bearings.

Every shop is different. There is a wide spectrum of hacks and pros.

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by astura on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:02PM (#18442550)
Thanks for the info. :)

So a forced air furnace is basically the same as a boiler where you just call a technician to do your "yearly servicing?"

The company that services my boiler spend well over an hour on it, so I'll assume I'm not getting ripped off there?

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by larrywright on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:23AM (#18441108)
It depends on the model, quality and features. The one that came with my current house was very finicky and needed a fair amount of handholding (including pouring water into a little tube at the start of the season - something about a proper vacuum). I replaced it a few years ago with a new, near-top-of-line Trane with an air filtration system and a whole house humidifier. This one only needs to have the filter vacuumed monthly (three-stage electrostatic filter), and to have the humidifier water panel replaced once a year. Otherwise it’s basically no maintenance.

Any forced-air system has ductwork, however, and that can get filthy over time and need cleaning.

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by bunderbunder on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:24AM (#18441119)
I don't know about furnaces in general. It's just that the old place's steam heating never really gave us any problems, whereas our furnace has needed repairs multiple times over the past few years.

Maintenance was bleeding the pipes occasionally, which I generally found to be less of a bother than replacing filters.

Re:The Lost Art of Steam Heating (2017) [video] by larrywright on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:16AM (#18441059)
A good humidifier is a must with forced air heating. The Wirecutter usually has some good recommendations for those.