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Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by benologist on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:14PM (#18434385)

     There are more than 400 hours of video uploaded every 
     minute to the platform, and putting the onus of     
     responsibility on platforms like YouTube to catch every    
     video isn’t fair, according to Wojcicki.
Sounds like they could solve this really easily by just hiring a lot of people, which is also very easy to do when you stashed over $100,000,000,000 and revenue is still growing and taxes are still diminishing and employees are still called contractors.
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by j-pb on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:34PM (#18434540)
That sounds like something out of an black mirror episode...

Where an unprivileged worker class has to go through hours and hours of video material of the upper societal levels in order to make sure that they satisfy the grotesque utopian "always happy no conflict" image of an all seeing censor, including the denial of their own existence.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by b_tterc_p on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:58PM (#18434731)
Amazon has people do this for Alexa inputs, to label whether responses were good or bad.
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by wafflesraccoon on Monday November 12, 2018 @02:08PM (#18434792)
genuinely curious, do you have a source for that?
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by b_tterc_p on Monday November 12, 2018 @09:33PM (#18437962)
I know someone with this job. I don’t think it’s advertised anywhere as such. But it appears the role is called “data associate” or “speech and language annotator”. Basically they listen to the phrase after the keyword and then the response, marking whether or not it was helpful (maybe more detailed than that, not sure). It’s a data labeling job in some shape or form. Anecdotally, a lot of people seem to like saying the worst possible (offensive) things to Alexa and some people use it to sext. I don’t know if the latter was transmitted because messages are fair game or if because the user incorrectly tried to use the messaging feature. The only thing about this that really surprises me is that it isn’t outsourced to a cheaper labor supply.

I don’t have a Glassdoor account to confirm what this is saying but I think you’ll find at least circumstantial evidence here if you can view it. https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Amazon-Data-Associate-Revi...

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by stedaniels on Monday November 12, 2018 @02:44PM (#18435077)
It's built into the app. It asks you to grade each response positively or negatively.
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by spullara on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:02PM (#18435216)
Cool. We can just ask the uploader if it is copyrighted or not.
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by Aloisius on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:57PM (#18435735)
Mmm. Even with $100 billion, I don't think they could do it at the rate people are uploading at...

There are three major problems:

1. Audio, video and image recognition systems are nowhere near close to perfect and the upload volume means even a small error rate will result in a large amount getting through.

2. Users are constantly coming up with new ways to avoid the filtering systems making it a game of tag, but where one side is made up of tens of millions of people.

3. There isn't a central registry of who owns what type of copyright in each territory so there is no good way to know if the person uploading has the right to or not.

Then there are the issues of compositions... someone has the right to a music track, but only when synchronized to a particular video or someone inserting a frame of a copyrighted image inside their video.

And this will affect far more than YouTube. Copyright extends to all creative works including this comment. Image hosting services, forums, reddit, social networking sites, comment systems, review sites should all worry.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by jerf on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:13PM (#18435314)
"Sounds like they could solve this really easily by just hiring a lot of people,"

Who are you going to hire who can watch a video and instantly know every copyrighted piece used to produce it, judge whether or not the piece is one or another sort of "fair use" correctly/consistently etc., and be correct enough that YouTube feels safe taking on the corporate liability?

Getting this right is more than just "a human views the video once". Sure, there's some obvious piracy, but a loooot of things that are not obvious piracy would require active research.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by nitwit005 on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:11PM (#18435299)
> Sounds like they could solve this really easily by just hiring a lot of people

They could catch the obvious stuff like people uploading Hollywood videos, but the reality is that humans will let tons of stuff through, and also accidentally block stuff that should have been allowed.

There's far more copyrighted content than a human can even view or listen to in a lifetime. There's just no way for a human to know what's in violation and what isn't.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by phkahler on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:39PM (#18435541)
>> There's just no way for a human to know what's in violation and what isn't.

People can host their own stuff. Simple. Don't host content you don't know the origin of and can't document you've got the right to do so.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by ggggtez on Monday November 12, 2018 @05:09PM (#18436415)
Aha, so, your solution to people uploading copyrighted content to youtube, is to force them to go back to hosting their content on their own PC, like... Napster and Bit Torrent?

How exactly would that solve the problem? Is there a step 2 where they also cut all the cables into and out of Europe?

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by manfredo on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:20PM (#18435365)
Assuming each content checker can process 8 hours of video a day, you'd need 180,000 (wrong, 100k as corrected by the commenter below) people working to review every video. Sure, YouTube doesn't need to review every video, but that 8 hours a day figure is being very generous. Account for management, documenting the results of review, appeals process, training, etc. and the throughput of reviewers is probably less than half of 8 hours per day.

Even if only 1% of videos get flagged for review, YouTube is still looking at ~50% of all it's employees working on reviewing video.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by Aloisius on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:35PM (#18435498)
105,120 if working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year.

Of course, that don't work for copyright protection since there isn't a person alive who can recognize every copyright protected image/video/audio on the planet and whether the person uploading owns/licenses the copyright in every territory.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by manfredo on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:50PM (#18435653)
Maybe feasible if < 1% of content requires human review. (~1,000 reviewers). But seeings as a lot of people treat report buttons as a "mega downvote" I don't think this is feasible in practice.

If this law is rolled out, I highly suspect that YouTube in the EU will consists solely of large channels that have a low rate of videos that violate policy.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by AnthonyMouse on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:38PM (#18435526)
> Sounds like they could solve this really easily by just hiring a lot of people, which is also very easy to do when you stashed over $100,000,000,000 and revenue is still growing and taxes are still diminishing and employees are still called contractors.

400 hours a minute is 400x60x24x365=210,240,000 hours a year, equivalent to ~100,000 full-time employees. Anything less than $15/hour and they'll be hearing from Bernie Sanders, plus FICA and any employee benefits. Then they need real estate to work, utilities, parking, furniture, computer equipment, HR/IT/accounting support staff etc. The cost is in the ballpark for the estimates of YouTube's total revenue. Profits would be a fraction of that after all the existing expenses for hosting infrastructure and staff.

And the $100B in cash is across all of Google. They would have to be pretty dumb to spend it down continuing to operate something that could never be expected to turn a profit again.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by Vehemental on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:46PM (#18434630)
all the uber/lyft drivers can go home at night and get to work for youtube
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by anticensor on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:43PM (#18434608)
A brigade[0] of retired old pensioners could do this review as a full-time unpaid labour.

[0]:Infantry-equivalent numbers are used.

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by nindalf on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:58PM (#18434730)
This work isn't remotely fun. It's stressful, and the people doing it often have to deal with depression and drug abuse later.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/13/11387934/internet-moderat...

Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by anticensor on Monday November 12, 2018 @02:15PM (#18434842)
Retirees have less of a concern of future, hence they are less likely to abuse drugs. Pensioners also have the necessary income, and will not suffer income-related problems.
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by ska on Monday November 12, 2018 @05:59PM (#18436788)
What's in it for them?
Re:YouTube CEO calls EU’s proposed copyright regulation fina... by ahje on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:52AM (#18439843)
I think you've hit the nail on the head here, and it's not even limited to retirees: Why would anyone want such a job?

One might get someone unemployed and with no other choice to do it for a while, until another job comes by, but I don't really think anyone wants to do this for a living.