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Re:Why do all websites look the same? by nine_k on Friday November 09, 2018 @11:37AM (#18415665)
A closer example would be books.

For ~500 years, books look approximately the same: normally paged sideways (not top-down), with some margins for handling, with text in rows or columns (depending on the writing system), some chapter structure, and index / contents page, page numbers, covers of more durable material to protect the pages, with some kind of a title on the top cover, etc.

Those features don't just exist because of tradition or technical limitations. They mostly exist because they are convenient, useful, and logical.

But they also exist because people expect them, from times of handwritten books. They put the skills people already had to good use. They created a visual language which is easy to pick up and easy to use, both for readers and typesetters.

Most web sites are a logical continuation of books, magazines, newspapers, etc. No wonder they actively adopt the time-proven, well-working concepts from the print media.

Forms have a much shorter, and much less rich history outside web, and here experimentation was wild; a lot of sites do forms quite differently. Though some common language (like labels, placeholder text, pre-validation, etc) already has formed. OTOH even checkboxes are not yet a commonly accepted visual concept; some e.g. prefer "switches", iOS-style.

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by cabalamat on Friday November 09, 2018 @04:28PM (#18418188)
> They mostly exist because they are convenient, useful, and logical.

What happens, when, in the words of the article, you "Do not be constrained by questions of usability, legibility, and flexibility"?

The answer, it appears, is their re-design of HN: https://interface.fh-potsdam.de/future-retro/HN/ which I find unusable.

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by Retric on Friday November 09, 2018 @05:05PM (#18418438)
That's shockingly bad.

The expanded view with lines between comments and their parents which scroll independently is literally the worst website UI I have ever seen. And I recall some terrible flash abominations.

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by zipwitch on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:52PM (#18419035)
The pure white screen has a certain aesthetic appeal, but the total lack of content puts it considerably below the original. (I assume this must be an intended effect, given the complete absence of error messages.)
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by singingboyo on Friday November 09, 2018 @05:56PM (#18418729)
The medium redesign is also awful. Its inability to handle my portrait-oriented monitor did trigger a sense of childish amusement (truncating POOR to POO) but it's entirely impossible to read anything using it.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by nine_k on Friday November 09, 2018 @11:23PM (#18419925)
> Do not be constrained by questions of usability, legibility, and flexibility

That is, create a work of art (as opposed to utility). Okay, art is nice, too.

But mixing artistry and utility is quite hard. Designing a nice, livable house, or a store, is a craft. Building fancy sand castles is a (pastime) art. But mixing the fancy free-form with being actually usable by thousands takes lots of work, resources, and time, because what you'd have to build is a cathedral. (If you think modern technology makes it simple, look at the history of building the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona.)

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by rytill on Friday November 09, 2018 @04:52PM (#18418355)
Actually wouldn't be terrible if the comments appeared in a more orderly fashion. Right now, they spawn randomly and can even overlap which makes it actually unreadable.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by reaperducer on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:41PM (#18418977)
I can't imagine what they think someone with disabilities is supposed to do with that.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by cannonedhamster on Sunday November 11, 2018 @03:17PM (#18428343)
They don't care about people with disabilities. They don't even care about people without disabilities. It's not usable for people who are not differently abled.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by greenhatman on Friday November 09, 2018 @05:39PM (#18418648)
That was a pretty hilarious experience.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by smhost on Friday November 09, 2018 @07:33PM (#18419184)
the day/night button on the bottom right is genius satire
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by Retr0spectrum on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:05PM (#18418771)
The "redesign" is a joke, right?
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by greendestiny_re on Friday November 09, 2018 @11:59PM (#18420040)
Only an artist could come up with this: http://prntscr.com/lgk7x0
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by booleandilemma on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:54PM (#18419048)
Is this brutalist design?
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by anthk on Friday November 09, 2018 @09:44PM (#18419635)
No, brutalist is HN, lobste.rs or the Oreilly CD Bookshelf. Or any Unix CS guide with those square Motif-like buttons.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by polynomial on Friday November 09, 2018 @07:30PM (#18419172)
That site could induce a seizure in David Parsons.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by mrob on Friday November 09, 2018 @02:17PM (#18417066)
Full justified text exists because of tradition. It makes the text harder to read because the word spacing becomes uneven, the line ends become harder to distinguish, and more words are broken by hyphens. But it's higher status because when all books were hand-written it took more skill to produce.

Web sites have a similar popular anti-feature that's included for reasons of social status: low contrast text. I think this is popular because ability to easily read it signals both health (good eyes) and wealth (good screens).

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by mdpopescu on Friday November 09, 2018 @05:14PM (#18418501)
Huh. I always thought non-justified text existed because people are lazy; I absolutely consider fully justified text to be easier to read, not harder. Non-justified text is distracting.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by bunderbunder on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:02PM (#18418759)
I'm sure it varies from person to person. I believe, though, the bulk of the studies have found that, while people generally find justified text to look nicer, reading speed and comprehension tend to suffer for it.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by xapata on Friday November 09, 2018 @08:05PM (#18419309)
Same for contrast. If you're not actually trying to read, low-contrast is more appealing. Thus, the CEO who has read their marketing blurb a thousand times likes low-contrast, even though it's counter-productive.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by chiefalchemist on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:28PM (#18418900)
> "I think this is popular because ability to easily read it signals both health (good eyes) and wealth (good screens)."

Perhaps. But I always presumed the good eyes, good screen, and lack of empathy belonged to the designer. These same site too often seem to have experiences based on an ultra-fast connection, as opposed to a wonky 4G (at best) connection.

You might be right. But I've sat in meetings and/or shared office space with low-UX-IQ designer / frontend types.

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by discreteevent on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:39PM (#18418962)
I think the low contrast thing is simply a symptom of a general trend twoards form over function, which though it may seem cool, in the end turns out to be cheap. Its the equivalent of putting dark plastic tint on your car windows. It happens in a lot of fields. The truth is most people don't know what they are doing (and we all didn't know what we were doing at one point).
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by nine_k on Friday November 09, 2018 @04:28PM (#18418191)
I don't see why is this downvoted. This is quite valid.

Fortunately extensions like Stylus allow to tweak page styles to make them more usable.

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Friday November 09, 2018 @09:11PM (#18419552)
> Full justified text exists because of tradition. It makes the text harder to read because the word spacing becomes uneven

That should barely be the case with a good layout and hyphenation algorithm (or a competent printer in the old days). What word processing software does is not necessarily the best possible way to produce an even justified layout.

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by blancheneige on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:31PM (#18417718)
> For ~500 years, books look approximately the same

I think you can even go back as far as 1000 years to find those same standards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule

Re:Why do all websites look the same? by dingaling on Friday November 09, 2018 @04:51PM (#18418347)
Yet most books have awful spines that prevent the pages lying flat when open. Not because it's useful or logical but because it's cheap and easy for the publisher.
Re:Why do all websites look the same? by r00dY on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:01PM (#18417424)
> Most web sites are a logical continuation of books, magazines, newspapers, etc. No wonder they actively adopt the time-proven, well-working concepts from the print media.

True, but print media formats got even more simplified in web. The reason? Responsiveness constraints.

Many times I've seen great advanced "article-like" designs for desktop from ambitious designers. It turned out that making them easy to manage in CMS, stable in all possible combinations (or implementing good validators) and at the same time logical and good looking on mobile was extremely hard and not worth it.

This led to further simplifications...

... and then Medium looks like Medium.

There's not much place for creativity on mobile. And this is where most of the "fast content" is read.