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Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by TeMPOraL on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:16PM (#18357988)
I don't know if AI luminaries advocating certain utopia exist. Pretty much all reasonable voices I've seen about AI in the past decade either dismissed it entirely, or advocated caution, arguing that it's a small chance of utopia if we do it right, and high chance of destroying humanity.

As for UBI, it's one way of addressing the fact that our civilization is mature enough to abandon the concept of having to work to be able to live (not to mention, non-bullshit jobs are steadily disappearing).

Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by crispinb on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:04PM (#18358425)
> our civilization is mature enough to abandon the concept of having to work to be able to live

Or at least make the concept universal. It's been alive and well for the ruling classes for centuries.

Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by shanghaiaway on Sunday November 04, 2018 @03:33AM (#18374882)
The ruling class works too. They rule.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by crispinb on Sunday November 04, 2018 @05:05PM (#18378303)
Some do, some don't, in my experience (there are many scions of the ruling class who choose to do little).

But that's all irrelevant in any case, because the issue in question here wasn't working or not-working, but having to work to be permitted to live. Most of us have to. The ruling classes don't.

Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by shanghaiaway on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @07:11PM (#18403409)
Rulers have to work to maintain or expand, otherwise they decline.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by 0xdeadbeefbabe on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:26PM (#18358626)
Hey, are you from the ruling classes?
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by crispinb on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:34PM (#18358690)
No, but I've had a pretty close view of their undersides.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by state_less on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:40PM (#18358737)
A Utopia doesn’t change that you’re human with ups and downs.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by Retra on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:24PM (#18359391)
Don't project your conditions onto everyone else, please.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by mactyler on Friday November 02, 2018 @01:02AM (#18360822)
Some people are hungry.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by darkmarmot on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:11PM (#18359666)
If I ever see something even approaching generalized intelligence, I might be slightly concerned.

But, thus far, our best AIs are simply pattern recognition systems strung together like Christmas lights.

There's also no reason to think that 'intelligence' can be exponentially scaled or that any system can recognize how to improve itself -- or have the capacity to do so in situ.

Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by TeMPOraL on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:39AM (#18361078)
> But, thus far, our best AIs are simply pattern recognition systems strung together like Christmas lights.

Completely agree. I do believe calling current run of ML/DNNs "AI" is stretching it (and I expect to be hit with the "AI is a moving goalpost" argument but seriously? is it a moving goalpost for those who know how the current generation of solutions work?).

> There's also no reason to think that 'intelligence' can be exponentially scaled or that any system can recognize how to improve itself -- or have the capacity to do so in situ.

There's no reason to assume otherwise. Exponential scaling (i.e. "intelligence explosion") may be a contestable assumption, but really, we're in big trouble if a general AI reaches human levels. We know this level is possible because we exist. Even if AI did just that, we'd have to contest with a new sapient being, and give it ethical consideration. But I see nothing preventing that AI from being as smart as 10 or 100 humans combined.

The rest really follows from nature of technological artifacts - if you can make one, you can make one thousand (applies to both hardware and software) and make it work as one; you can iterate on it, and if you can, then a human-level AI will be able to do it too.

Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by throwawaycanada on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:13PM (#18359676)
Unless we are examples of such a system.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by joejerryronnie on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:17PM (#18360442)
So, 3.5 billion years of organic computer evolution from now is when we should begin to worry? ;-)
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by TeMPOraL on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:40AM (#18361083)
Our technology is several orders of magnitude faster than biological evolution :). Things on Earth have stopped being primarily driven by genes some time ago now.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by aalleavitch on Friday November 02, 2018 @08:25AM (#18362473)
You are literally describing ourselves.
Re:Alan Kay: Is it too late to create a healthy future? [video] by pascalxus on Friday November 02, 2018 @01:39PM (#18365027)
We are no-where near rich enough to afford UBI at this point. Run the numbers, Even if you taxed every last billionaire at 100%, you'd be nowhere near enough money for even the most basic UBI.

Who knows, maybe in a 1000 years? i don't see it happening in our lifetimes.

And what are all those AIs supposed to be working on? Based on the direction it's currentlying heading, it looks like we'll just be getting more the same stuff we don't need.

If AI is going to help humanity, it needs to be applied to maslow's hierarchy of needs. 99% of society still isn't past the first row. Look at the bottom row, it's pretty simple: Shelter, Food, Water and by extension to afford those things: transportation and medical insurance.