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Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by newsbinator on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:02AM (#18361139)
Personally, I like seeing actions like this.

Even though the source of his funds may be questionable (FOMO?, robbing from the uninformed?, luck timing the market?), he's not letting his funds sit idle.

It's one man's personal moonshot.

If anybody is going to actively create a mini 21st century society that gets a lot of things right, it's a crazy near-billionaire who bought 67,000 acres of land and invests in a long-term team/plan to make use of it.

I'm very interested to see what happens.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by donavanm on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:17AM (#18361184)
If only there were any previous comparable attempts we could learn from ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by newsbinator on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:34AM (#18361682)
There's a solid chance the current attempt will end up as just another failed planned city.

But that's what moonshots are all about.

If it were easy or likely to succeed, it would have been done 10 times already.

Songdo's not doing as well as hoped either: https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/06/sleepy-in-songdo-koreas...

But that's why we iterate and try again... or not "we" so much as bitcoin semi-billionaires.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by breakyerself on Friday November 02, 2018 @12:47AM (#18360765)
This is what you get when lucky people think they're geniuses.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by willio58 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:36PM (#18360524)
I’m sorry but I find it hard to trust the competence of any person who creates a company straight-up called “Blockchains”. Such a money grab. Imagine starting Internet, LLC during the dotcom bubble.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by jdhn on Friday November 02, 2018 @08:38AM (#18362535)
>“This will either be the biggest thing ever, or the most spectacular crash and burn in the history of mankind,” Mr. Berns said.

At least he knows that there's a significant chance that it won't succeed. I'm also glad that somebody is doing something with their cryptocurrency millions, even if that something is as pie in the sky as this.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by loceng on Friday November 02, 2018 @11:10AM (#18363556)
'“This will either be the biggest thing ever, or the most spectacular crash and burn in the history of mankind,” Mr. Berns said.'

Based on nominative determinism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism - that someone recently referenced in another thread on HN, I think he might already have the answer.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by speedplane on Friday November 02, 2018 @12:49AM (#18360773)
How to become a cryptocurrency millionaire: start off as a crypto currency billionaire and buy a bunch of useless land in the desert.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by newnewpdro on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:00AM (#18361137)
I can't imagine any land being useless. Even contaminated radioactive land can probably be put to use as a place to store more hazardous waste or weapons testing.

It never ceases to amaze me how dismissive people are of desert land.

This particular land is covered with vegetation, it's not even some barren landscape of endless sand dunes. All he'd need to do is drill wells and build out some PV arrays and it'd already be a place people could easily/affordably build relatively comfortable, albeit simple, lives. Hardly useless.

I'd certainly prefer acres of such desert land over bitcoin of equal value.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by speedplane on Sunday November 11, 2018 @06:18AM (#18425877)
Sorry, but most desert land is pretty “useless”. You can’t grow crops, it’s far from metropolitan centers, it’s hot. Unless there is buried oil like in Saudi Arabia, or near a major city (eg Phoenix, Vegas), the land itself is pretty “useless” in a resource extraction sense. Even solar panels need to be relatively close to a substation that can handle it.

That said, the desert can still be beautiful to those the live there, and spiritual to native Americans with history there.

So the desert is interesting and cool, but not necessarily lucrative.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by stephengillie on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:36PM (#18359815)
Subtitle tells the whole story:

> A man spent millions on an enormous plot of land near Reno. Now he wants to build a community based on the blockchain technology introduced by Bitcoin.

He could have joined up with the Bitcoin mining group in Wenatchee WA, where they spent millions building custom "mining pods" to house the ASICs.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by CyberDildonics on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:34PM (#18360512)
I'm not sure what that has to do with this person planning a town.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by stephengillie on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:06AM (#18361569)
They could have combined their similar goals and pooled their money.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by CyberDildonics on Friday November 02, 2018 @08:08AM (#18362387)
What are their similar goals? This guy is planning a town, those other people were doing crypto currency mining.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by stephengillie on Friday November 02, 2018 @08:28AM (#18362492)
> Every resident and employee will have what amounts to an Ethereum address, which they will use to vote on local measures and store their personal data.

Maybe repurpose the pods to hold ETH mining gear?

But you've caught me. I obviously don't know what I'm talking about. Congratulations, CyberDildonics, you've won HN today!

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by CyberDildonics on Friday November 02, 2018 @11:49AM (#18363882)
I don't think anyone wins when someone adds nonsense to a thread that then needs to be corrected.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by orasis on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:30AM (#18362224)
This will be an expensive lesson in water availability.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by seattle_spring on Friday November 02, 2018 @09:41AM (#18362916)
They'll just use the blockchain.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by Junk_Collector on Friday November 02, 2018 @03:25PM (#18365939)
Hydrocoin, whenever you want water simply open your tap and activate your smartphone app to deposit coins to the local M.U.D. at a varying rate starting at 1 coin / liter. As soon as the block chain completes proof of work your tap will begin to flow. If attempting to get water at a time of high blockchain volatility or transaction demand, please allow 12-48 hours for processing. It is recommended not to use Hydrocoin during hours of peak operation such as mornings or evenings due to expected load related delays.

However, I do like the ideal of literal bucket arbitrage.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by asynchrony on Friday November 02, 2018 @01:30AM (#18360894)
This is effectively funded by all the student loans and double mortgages that FOMO drove people to trade real money for virtual commodities at the peak of last year's bubble. I'm calling it. We have reached peak blockchain hysteria. This is "if you build it they will come" on the blockchain.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by tuesdayrain on Friday November 02, 2018 @09:45AM (#18362945)
Judging by the charts, peak blockchain hysteria was around December 2017.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by asynchrony on Friday November 02, 2018 @10:37AM (#18363306)
The speculative pricing bubble and the hype around the technology are two different things.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by pgruenbacher on Friday November 02, 2018 @12:19PM (#18364231)
if someone's gonna invest in these idealistic projects, I'd rather see someone invest in tech cooperatives based on block-chain, or just employee cooperatives in general.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by Arbalest on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:59PM (#18359590)
This headline screams non-article. I don't know how anyone who is not at least a billionare hopes to make any sweeping changes (let alone a utopia) in any context beyond a couple thousand people.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by CyberDildonics on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:33PM (#18360509)
The article says that he has spent 300 million dollars and bought 67,000 acres of land.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by Arbalest on Sunday November 04, 2018 @10:43PM (#18379724)
Land isn't automatically useful/valuable. It does need to be developed. If you took the land area of a city, and then went out bush and asked how much it cost for the same area, it would be pretty much peanuts. Yet land prices in cities are orders of magnitude higher.

The land is really only the start, and I'm pretty damn sure you will need an order of magnitude more money than that to develop it into something usable by modern standards.

Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by CyberDildonics on Sunday November 11, 2018 @12:58AM (#18425191)
This is textbook moving goal posts. He has obviously spent plenty of money and didn't spend all that on the land. I'm not if you are really trying to say he spent 300 million on land, but that isn't what the article implies.
Re:A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in N... by Retra on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:45PM (#18360322)
Yeah, for a million you could probably get a really nice house for one family, and a good bit saved up so they don't have to worry too much about things. That's a long way from any kind of utopian society... Especially when you're building it from scratch out in a desert.