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Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by rocqua on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:09AM (#18352764)
I believe that the climate impact of ethically raised meat tends to be a lot higher than that of mass-produced meat. The reason being that it simply takes more resources to ethically produce meat.
Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by cowsandmilk on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:37AM (#18352949)
Story is much more complicated than that.

It takes far more fertilizer and irrigation to produce food for mass-produced meat. Well-maintained pasture has diverse plants year round soaking up a small amount of CO2 versus land for corn that is plowed under. And land for ethical meat often has trees to shade the animals. Mass-produced meat requires highly intensive cleaning of stalls. And for things like beef, it is still unclear whether one diet or another produces more methane, which is a huge portion of the climate impact.

Then there are things like what is done with the manure. In a well-managed factory farm, it is digested. But there are tons of stories about polluted rivers near factory farms that make it clear that often isn't the case. Those polluted rivers result in algal blooms, which is a whole other matter.

Basically, a statement like "more resources to ethically produce meat" confuses the price to a farmer of producing meat with a calculation that incorporates all the externalities, which is a whole lot less clear.

Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by type-2 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:13AM (#18352783)
All meat is a incredibly wasteful way to grow food. Plus mass produced meat usually always is harmful to the animal's wellbeing and also due to the way they live in close cramped spaces, there is lot of antibiotic put into their feed to stop diseases. Being vegan is the best but sadly we love meat too much. I am myself no better
Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by yostrovs on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:34AM (#18352922)
Nonsense. Grazing animals are part of the natural cycle that has produced grasses, the topsoil, and nutrients that tie them together. Vegetarianism breaks that cycle and leads to use of chemicals for growing edible plants.
Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by cowsandmilk on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:40AM (#18352970)
> Vegetarianism breaks that cycle and leads to use of chemicals for growing edible plants.

What? It is pretty clear cut that humans eating plants directly requires growing a lot less plants than humans eating meat, which ate those plants. Animals don't grow on sunlight, so they are basically a reactor for turning plants from one type of food into another. And the laws of thermodynamics tell us they aren't 100% efficient, so... eating meat requires more plants to be grown than eating plants themselves...

Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by Yetanfou on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:03AM (#18353115)
What the commenter probably refers to is the fact that grazing animals eat plants which humans can not eat while vegetarians eat those which are suitable for human consumption. The grass eaten by herbivores 'just grows' while the cabbages, lettuces, beans and sprouts (et al) eaten by vegetarians (et al) don't "just grow", they need to be grown purposefully on soil which has been fertilised, they need to be protected from insects and vermin, etcetera.

Had the herbivores been harvested from the wild this would all be true. In practice the herbivores are fed not just grass but beans, grains and other produce. Which has to be grown just like the vegetables eaten by vegetarians. Since the 'conversion factor' - the efficiency by which an animal transforms 1 kg of fodder into 1 kg of edible animal - varies from about 2 (insects) via 5-7 (chicken) via 9-11 (pig) to 14-18 (cow) it becomes clear that it takes a lot more grains, beans and such to feed a carnivore than it takes to feed a vegetarian.

Re:Oceans 'soaking up more heat than estimated' by fredley on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:23AM (#18352849)
That's why it must be ethical and sustainable!