That Vox is bringing it up now may be a partisan play, or maybe it's not. That doesn't matter, it only should influence your view on Vox itself, not the subject at hand.
(I don't follow the American election so I don't know who will win.)
Complaining about fraud via electronic voting machines and ignoring the 20M+ that are potentially voting illegally is quite curious indeed.
Rasmussen Poll shows 54% of Democrats support giving illegals right to vote. I don't know why you are going against what the majority of your party openly wants?
What makes you think the Democrats are "my" party?
It’s not possible to be an illegal human being
I’m not a lawyer, but I’m positive be average person using the term “illegals” to refer to individuals of questionable immigration status understands less about the law than I and certainly less about morality.
Without the power to permit people to exist within an area or not, one can not have any sort of social aid. Several billion people would show up to claim it.
Incorrect. While numerous Supreme Court decisions use “illegal alien” they do not do so exclusively, e.g., Plyler v. Doe (1981) uses, at a minimum, all of (directly, ignoring uses that occur only in quoted material, and consistently reflecting singular though some terms are used in both singular and plural, and some only plural, forms) “illegal alien”, “undocumented child”, “undocumented alien”, “undocumented resident alien”, and “illegal entrant”.
I’ll leave this to other people to battle off HN. Best of luck informing yourself about how to not use perjorative terms to slander vast amounts of people.
As far as immigration control, I disagree with your scenario. Since my comment was about people who supposedly abhor regulation, i’d like to make sure to apply the same logic to pollution, financial fraud, lobbying and labor abuse.
The vast majority are not undocumented. They have fraudulent documentation. Identity theft is not a victimless crime.
Overstaying a visa isn't a crime, but getting a visa with the intent to overstay it is a crime. Jumping the border is obviously a crime. Those two methods of entry cover the vast majority. There aren't a lot of people who intended to leave and then just... forgot the visa expiration date or something.
Except it isn't.
https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/may/09/stev...
It appears in section headers that don't have legal weight behind them, and in reference to aliens who have additionally been convicted of at least on felony.
Just saying something doesn't make it true.
> Undocumented is when somebody loses their wallet, so that won't do.
No, because someone without their wallet will still be documented in the databases.
> These people generally have illegal documentation, possibly even matching your documentation.
Do I need to track down how that's false too? You really seem to enjoy making statements with nothing to back them up.
So, these terms have legal definitions. You may wish to inform yourself a lot better before having such debates.
Most work in hospitality and food prep, indoors.
Why would it matter that they're indoors? I’m really confused by what you choose to emphasize.
I find it unlikely that agricultural employees make up .5% of Central American immigrants in the US at any given time. That figure sounds low.
"I'm undocumented, what am I going to do on a Tuesday? How about skipping work where I already don't get paid a living wage to go to a government building with sone police standing around, and big voter rolls of all citizens in the area. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea."
Did they try to subpoena the information?
Can we just kind of give it a rest for a little while? It really is a bad time right now.
Election season makes the politically-minded think they can endlessly spill toxic discourse across all social and news mediums.
I think the far-left could equally do with some reflection. The far-right is not the only problem in today's politics.
Like a lot of other things, I feel like Democrats like to keep these issues around as a rallying cause, instead of fixing them.
Edit: I'll just address some of the comments here. This is not "partisan sniping", and I write this as a former Obama volunteer and a lifelong Democrat.
Second: the federal government can do something. Here's an idea: give a $100M grant to 5 major universities to develop an open-source (hardware and software) alternative to the current system, and make a FIPS standard out of it. Then, certify vendors who implement that standard. The states can then buy systems from those vendors.