I didn't say they were committing an illegal act, although most are. I just said that "illegal alien" is the only correct term under our law.

The vast majority are not undocumented. They have fraudulent documentation. Identity theft is not a victimless crime.

Overstaying a visa isn't a crime, but getting a visa with the intent to overstay it is a crime. Jumping the border is obviously a crime. Those two methods of entry cover the vast majority. There aren't a lot of people who intended to leave and then just... forgot the visa expiration date or something.

> I just said that "illegal alien" is the only correct term under our law.

Except it isn't.

https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/may/09/stev...

It appears in section headers that don't have legal weight behind them, and in reference to aliens who have additionally been convicted of at least on felony.

Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Not that politifact is trustworthy, but OK, which alternative do you like? That article lists "unauthorized aliens", "inadmissible aliens" and "deportable aliens". Undocumented is when somebody loses their wallet, so that won't do. These people generally have illegal documentation, possibly even matching your documentation.

Don't be so combative. You're the one spreading the falsehood that "The only fully correct term, as used in our laws and in numerous Supreme Court rulings, is "illegal alien"" despite having no real evidence of that.

> Undocumented is when somebody loses their wallet, so that won't do.

No, because someone without their wallet will still be documented in the databases.

> These people generally have illegal documentation, possibly even matching your documentation.

Do I need to track down how that's false too? You really seem to enjoy making statements with nothing to back them up.

“Undocumented is when somebody loses their wallet, so that won't do.”

So, these terms have legal definitions. You may wish to inform yourself a lot better before having such debates.

Coming to the US to pick crops is a victimless ‘crime’. If anyone, the bigger criminals are the US citizens who own the companies, large and small, who hire undocumented workers and know full well they are doing it.

Less than one half of one percent are "picking crops".

Most work in hospitality and food prep, indoors.

Are you saying there is some qualitative difference there, or just adding work examples? Do you use the scare quotes to mean people who come to the US to work cleaning hotels are victimizing US citizens by doing so? Or that you disagree, because I’m wrong and people who prep sandwiches and clean apartments are more to blame for their unlawful employment than their employers?

Why would it matter that they're indoors? I’m really confused by what you choose to emphasize.

I find it unlikely that agricultural employees make up .5% of Central American immigrants in the US at any given time. That figure sounds low.