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Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by thrower123 on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:42AM (#18309643)
This strikes me as some weird virtue signaling, as part of the package of well-to-do enlightened whiteness. Watching tv or playing with computers is not intrinsically good or bad; you have to think about what content you're delivering. I spent most days watching old-school History Channel while playing with Legos or army men. Likewise, almost all of my knowledge of geography and a significant chunk of history comes from playing strategy games on the PC. If I was watching the Disney Channel and playing Fortnite, then that would be less productively used time, I suppose.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by eropple on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:57AM (#18309792)
I grew up similarly to you (though less army men, more Legos), but I do think we are looking at a difference of kind today with video games. You're right in that Fortnite would be different--but that's because Fortnite (or, worse, mobile games) are a dopamine flood. Intuitively it feels like the loot treadmill of an old MMO (I lost a lot of friends to WoW addiction back in The Day) but with a tighter loop that more easily can ensnare people, particularly kids. I absolutely can't prove it, and wouldn't judge somebody for letting a kid play them...but I would be a little uneasy if I had kids.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by icebraining on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:14PM (#18310579)
How is Fortnite different from any other FPS we had twenty years ago, like Tribes?
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by eropple on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:10PM (#18311548)
Loot boxes, mostly. Gacha games and the like pioneered it and now it's in everything. The slot-machine pull does something to people, and I'm more worried about what it does to brains that haven't completely set yet.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by lozaning on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:36PM (#18311738)
Fortnite doesn't have loot boxes. There's skins and dances, but you buy them all directly, there's no RNG. At least that I've found in my ~30 hours of playing the game.

It's just like golden eye, but now you've got to pay to play as odjob.

Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by eropple on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:42PM (#18311779)
Sorry, you're right, I shouldn't have used the example of Fortnite when I personally play PUBG. And Overwatch. Both of which do. ;) My reach exceeded my grasp.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by smiley1437 on Friday October 26, 2018 @05:04PM (#18312690)
Although Fortnite doesn't have explicit lootboxes, there's certainly a related addictive effect to simply opening chests, stumbling across a Llama, etc. Have you not heard a younger player squeal 'scaaarrr'?
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by hnhg on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:59AM (#18309802)
Using 'enlightened whiteness' is mildly insulting both to people who happen to be white and those who are non-white who share the same beliefs and behaviour.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by leetcrew on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:45PM (#18310892)
i'm white and i don't find it personally offensive. there is a certain set of risk-averse behaviors that seem ubiquitous among the white (upper) middle class. and maybe this is uncharitable of me, but i do actually think these people feel more virtuous because they do these things, or at least do them to signal virtue. when someone uses a phrase like "enlightened whiteness" or "SWPL", it seems there's a high chance that we both instantly picture the same loosely related set of things that would be hard to describe otherwise.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by hnhg on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:35PM (#18311724)
That's exactly how a white person would respond ;)
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by pavel_lishin on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:02AM (#18309838)
> Watching tv or playing with computers is not intrinsically good or bad

Studies disagree. Too much screen time isn't great for kid development. At best, we're not sure what sort of effect it has on kids.

Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by thrower123 on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:06AM (#18309877)
How do we not know the effects? People have been plunking their kids down in front of the TV for hours a day for fifty years at this point.
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by pavel_lishin on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:01PM (#18310452)
edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/style/phones-children-sil...

Part of the reason is that showing a child a TV screen isn't the same as injecting heroin directly into their brainstem; the effects aren't super drastic, and researchers are reluctant to come out and say that X absolutely causes Y, when there's only some correlation, and it's not obvious.

We _know_ that eating a bunch of cyanide will kill you. We don't know exactly what sort of effects watching TV will have on you, because it's not quite so directly causative.

Anyway, we do know and suspect a lot of stuff:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/08/28/343735856/kids-an...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/behind-online-behavi...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/04/16/how-too...

Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by someguydave on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:34AM (#18310204)
Well, the obvious answer is that the effects are small enough to be very difficult to reveal with simple studies
Re:The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids Is Not What Wa... by alphabettsy on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:52PM (#18311435)
I’m not sure it has anything to do with whiteness, but it certainly is attached to class.