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Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by tomatotomato37 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:30AM (#18293249)
Where's (4) Don't write slow software? Modern phone's have better specs than 2000-era PCs with software that needs to do less; they shouldn't be having these performance problems in the first place
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by zelon88 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:51AM (#18293460)
Absolutely this. I am dumbfounded that some mobile applications are so painful to use when they really don't need to be. Take Snapchat for example. Why is Facebook and Instagram multitudes faster than Snapchat at taking pictures when that's 10% of FB or IG and 95% of SC? What is SC doing that requires so many resources?

And every Reddit client ever, or Reddit in general. Shameless amount of cookies and a horribly bloated UI just to do the same thing they were doing 10 years ago with double the client resource usage.

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by bildung on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @12:16PM (#18293758)
> And every Reddit client ever, or Reddit in general. Shameless amount of cookies and a horribly bloated UI just to do the same thing they were doing 10 years ago with double the client resource usage.

The amazing/sad thing is reddit with other clients can be blazingly fast. I just tried redreader from the f-droid store (android open source store) and using it feels like the content is loaded locally.

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:22PM (#18294442)
They presumably make it slow ("conservative"!) to limit server resources, to limit costs.
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by jen729w on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @04:01PM (#18295843)
Give Apollo a go, runs great on my iPhone SE.
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by kodablah on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:39AM (#18293343)
> Where's (4) Don't write slow software?

Says who, the government? We are talking about court-imposed fines here, not consumer wishes. Do we want a literal slow-software police?

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by c0nducktr on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:51AM (#18293458)
> Do we want a literal slow-software police?

That obvious answer is no, but as I think back on how many times I've been frustrated by some poorly performing piece of shit application over the past year, it's starting to not seem so bad of a solution.

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by vokep on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @05:41PM (#18296678)
Yes. Immediately. If it can be shown that a piece of software written today has major functionality which also was written into any software before 2000, and the modern software has twice as much or more delay in its functionality, the author should be publicly executed. Maybe a little extreme but hey it'll provide an incentive :)
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by Darthy on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:39PM (#18294619)
> Do we want a literal slow-software police?

This court case shows that we kinda now already have one.

The phones from 5 years ago already had amazing processors with billions of cycles per second. They can probably do nearly everything.

But you know us software engineers: "make it faster till it runs wells on my test kit, then oh well ship it!"

I think this ruling is a nudge into a better way. Yes deplay updates for more than 2 years, but don't stop optimizing new stuff when the latest phone can run it pretty well - keep optimizing until devices from the last 5 years run it very well.

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by geezerjay on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @03:20PM (#18295524)
> This court case shows that we kinda now already have one.

That's patently wrong. The point of the fine was not that the phones were noticeably slower after the upgrade. The point of the fine was that the slowness was motivated as a way of inducing forced obsolescence. The manufacturers forced the updates with no rollback mechanism to render phones unusable and thus force their users to purchase replacements. If users could roll back the changes then the manufacturers wouldnt be fined.

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by ginko on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:34PM (#18294560)
>Do we want a literal slow-software police?

Yes please!

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by ken on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @12:45PM (#18294058)
The whole point of this patch was to deal with old (~7 W h) batteries. Your 2000-era PC was usually plugged directly into the power grid, or if it was a laptop, it had a 50 W h battery and went a few hours away from grid power at most.

It's a lot easier to "not write slow software" if you're not constrained by power limitations. Apple went to all the trouble of switching CPU architectures just to get on a better side of that problem.

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by ancarda on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:41AM (#18293360)
I don't think anyone intentionally wants to write slow software. What would iOS and Android developers (both app and OS) stop doing or do differently?
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by module0000 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:55AM (#18293515)
Stop packaging mobile JS frameworks as native "apps".
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by candiodari on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @03:26PM (#18295572)
Have you heard about the new fancy framework in JS ? It emulates x86 in css, then boots Windows Vista in to execute a Visual Basic Application in containing a webView with mobile react !

It's a bit slow on loading, but after that it's really fast !

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by twtw on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:45AM (#18293403)
Stop making everything animated or translucent?
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by ancarda on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @11:59AM (#18293567)
I'm curious why you were downvoted. I have found animations do slow down my phone. When I press the home button, as the apps fly in, I can't scroll left/right until the animation is done playing. I have reduce animations turned on (accessibility settings, I think) as it makes my phone feel a lot faster.

Also, I remember the calculator app being unreliable due to animations: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/24/ios-11-calculator-anima...

Is this not a legitimate problem?

Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by tomatotomato37 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @12:14PM (#18293738)
I know on Android there's an option in the developer menu to double the animation speed that can make an appreciable difference. Maybe something exists on the iPhone side too
Re:Apple and Samsung fined for deliberately slowing down phones by mclehman on Thursday October 25, 2018 @03:09AM (#18299053)
Thanks for mentioning this. I've noticed the setting before but never played around with it until now. I didn't have any performance complaints (Pixel 2 XL), but disabling animations makes (nearly†) everything feel noticeably snappier.

† The google feed seems to have a consistent lag upon switching to it from the home screen (double tap on the multitasking button is normal) that the animations hide. It loads somewhere around 150ms slower than most applications, even taking longer than the first launch for unused apps.