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Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by kemiller on Sunday October 21, 2018 @06:50PM (#18270822)
Speaking as someone who had a second-row seat to Kodak's failure to meet the future, it was absolutely a case of stuck-in-the-past. The brass in Rochester just couldn't, wouldn't believe that the light at the end of the tunnel was a train, and they hobbled their own entries into that market at every turn.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by abruzzi on Sunday October 21, 2018 @07:52PM (#18271083)
I read somewhere, and sorry I don’t remember the source, that Kodak knew the digital future was coming, but they didn’t believe the speed with which it arrived. Kodak was one of the first companies with digital cameras.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by shmageggy on Sunday October 21, 2018 @09:44PM (#18271554)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sasson

> Steven Sasson invented the first self-contained digital camera at Eastman Kodak in 1975.

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by simonh on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:12AM (#18273209)
Yep, but the CCD was made by Fairchild. The only significant value add that Kodak had to bring to the table - film - was absent. It's not as if CCDs weren't being used to capture digital images before Kodak. They didn't even invent the digital imaging technology in the device. All they did was package it in a portable system.

I'm not trying to trash the achievement of constructing that device, it was a marvel of engineering, but I think it must have created a misconception in the company that they had a special competence in this area that they really didn't have.

I remember Kodak supporters constantly turning to this as the reason why Kodak would succeed, while it was visibly failing. They did develop a CCD sensor business, but they divested themselves of it in 2011 as part of a strategy that "it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company".

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/4182673881/kodaknews

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by smileysteve on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:11PM (#18276391)
> They did develop a CCD sensor business, but they divested themselves of it in 2011 as part of a strategy that "it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company".

If they hadn't made market strides with a CCD by 2011; I'm pretty sure that means they missed the mark entirely. If they had beat Sony's digitization of Minolta; or figured out mirrorless first would have been there best out prior to 2011.

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by kemiller on Sunday October 21, 2018 @08:42PM (#18271284)
They were addicted to fat film profits and couldn’t read an exponential curve.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by throwaway2048 on Sunday October 21, 2018 @10:00PM (#18271614)
Kodak was larger than the entire digital camera industry currently is, by almost 3x, $31 billion[1] in 1993 dollars which is 31 billion in 54 billion in 2018 dollars[2].

The entire digital camera industry was worth about 18 billion in 2017[3]

Even if they captured 100% of the market (which would have been basically completely impossible), it would have been a massive disaster for them as a company, and to the hundreds of thousands of people they employed in photo processing.

[1] https://www.photosecrets.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-kodak

[2] http://www.in2013dollars.com/1993-dollars-in-2018?amount=310...

[3] https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/4514578/digital-c...

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by jl6 on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:49AM (#18272470)
Does that 18 billion include the smartphone industry? I think phones are the real successor of the mass-market element of Kodak’s business.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by vkou on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:20AM (#18272572)
Pivoting from making film and cameras to making cellphones would have been like McDonalds pivoting into becoming a laptop manufacturer.

Yes, cellphones contain a camera, but the similarities end there.

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by simias on Monday October 22, 2018 @04:45AM (#18273103)
You're talking from an industrial perspective and the parent is talking from a user perspective. You're both right.

Smartphones replaced compact cameras for a huge portion of casual photographers but as you point out it's not like camera makers could easily pivot into making smartphones (some of them probably could have if they had anticipated the trend enough, but by the time the iphone came out it was probably already too late to catch up).

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by pdpi on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:36AM (#18274100)
The point is that, if that $18B number includes phones, Kodak wouldn’t even be able to address that part of the market (as you pointed out), rendering the addressable market even smaller in comparison to their previous position.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by ghaff on Sunday October 21, 2018 @09:05PM (#18271403)
That's probably true but good luck when your primary revenue source falls off an utter cliff which is basically what happened with film sales. You basically have to build a new $20 billion company within a few years.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by kemiller on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:09AM (#18275243)
Oh yeah I get it. They were in a tough spot. But they still almost went out of their way, it felt like, to screw with the parts of their business that were trying to save them.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by User23 on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:59AM (#18272703)
The corporate structure was completely dysfunctional too. The company was basically a set of independent fiefdoms, and the CEO was completely incapable of reining them in. There were many times where the CEO would announce layoffs and the department heads just ignored him and headcount just kept rising. Great example of Parkinson's law in action.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by Yizahi on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:22AM (#18273252)
Sound similar to the Nokia story, only Kodak doesn't have unrelated Microsoft to blame for their internal failure.
Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by warrenm on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:58PM (#18330207)
Nokia as a company was doing fine - it was the phone (and, specifically, the smartphone) portion of their business that was having trouble keeping up.

Nokia as a company is still doing well, in fact

Re:Why Kodak Died and Fujifilm Thrived: A Tale of Two Film C... by warrenm on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:56PM (#18330181)
Sadly, this sounds endemic of so many companies in NY