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Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by jerf on Friday October 19, 2018 @08:57AM (#18256373)
"Land of the free where you can shoot a person that enters your garden but you can't dry out your clothes there because it's unsightly."

Freedom encompasses freedom of association, where you may voluntarily agree to additional restrictions as part of such an association. The definition of freedom you seem to be using is incoherent. You can't have both the "freedom" to enter into a voluntary contract and also the "freedom" to violate the contract at will. The two are contradictory.

Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by athenot on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:27AM (#18256549)
As a rebuttal, you are never really free from getting shot because applying your "freedom of association" to that topic results in so much controversy as to be practically unfeasible.

Back to the topic at hand, this is pitting the aestethic feelings of some versus the right of others to be thrifty and efficient (and green, as line-drying is definitely more environment-friendly than using a machine which pulls 2-5KW of power).

Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by jimmy1 on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:05AM (#18256794)
> the right of others to be thrifty and efficient

It would be much more thrifty and efficient if I could walk around naked and shit and piss where ever I want, because then I wouldn't have to buy clothes, clean them, or waste money on flushing a toilet.

Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by HarryHirsch on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:11AM (#18257217)
Yes, you are free to choose the school district for your children. It just so happens that many of the better ones are HOA-encumbered, and it's HOAs where you find these overbearing rules that supposedly help protect the value of your home, or something.
Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by scotty79 on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:39PM (#18257930)
Freedom to go somewhere else is the most basic freedom there is. Saying you are free just because you have that basic freedom is a bit much.
Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by scotty79 on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:45AM (#18256658)
Are you free to not enter neighbourhood associations so you can put your laundry outside?

I honestly don't understand how all that freedom neighbourhood association restrictions work.

Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by leetcrew on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:54AM (#18256733)
it's actually really simple. some (but not all) neighborhoods have neighborhood associations that have bylaws. if you don't like the bylaws, you go live in a different neighborhood.

pretty much everyone who lives in these kinds of places has at least one rule on the books that they think is dumb, but at the end of the day most people do actually want their neighbors to cut their lawns and stuff like that, so they choose to live somewhere that has at least some of these restrictions.

Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by scotty79 on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:27PM (#18257838)
> if you don't like the bylaws, you go live in a different neighborhood.

What if I own land there because I bought it or inherited it? At which point do I freely enter those free neighbourhood associacions and agreements? Are they attached to the land? How exactly are they free if they are bundled? Is it like "freely" agreeing to see ads because if I don't agree I'll be cut out from the service?

In my country interaction between people that live side by side is regulated by actual law and since it's universal it's limited. Like no emission of unbearable smells or actual poison and no constant noise. It's nobody's business if his neighbour cuts grass provided he doesn't do that all the time with especially loud lawnmower.

Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by plorkyeran on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:09PM (#18258171)
If you own property that's not part of a HOA and your neighbors decide to form one, you can just choose not to join it if you don't want to. If you're buying land, you should find out whether or not it is part of a HOA before buying it, and if it is part of one make sure that it has rules which are acceptable to you.
Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by amanaplanacanal on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:29PM (#18257846)
I've never understood this. I live in an older neighborhood which was built long before HOAs existed. Actually I have never lived in a neighborhood with an HOA, and I'm over 60. I've never seen any of the evils that those folks worry about.
Re:Sunshine Helps Kill Germs Indoors by woah on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:46AM (#18257056)
They work in the same way as restaurant dress codes