Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coercion by angels and VCs

Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by tomp on Monday October 15, 2018 @06:11PM (#18224319)

It clearly is hysteria. Maybe it's uncovering a real problem (I am inclined to believe data like from this article), but it's most definitely, obviously a hysteria. The media is very happy to pounce on accusations, and many of the most widely publicised ones have turned out to be either completely false (A Rape on Campus, mattress girl, Oxford Union, Duke Lacrosse, Jian Gomeshi) or extremely overblown (Tim Hunt, Rosetta guy). We cannot talk about this problem clearly and rationally and devise sensible and effective solutions until people stop being hysterical.

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by rainonmoon on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:02PM (#18225251)

This isn't just about the most widely publicised events (in which just as many and more as the ones you listed were spot on) but about something that impacts women at every level of society. Try talking to your female friends about it.

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by DanBC on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @03:32AM (#18227389)

You don't think there's another reason why women are not telling you about their experiences?

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by sievebrain on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @12:49PM (#18230904)

No. I never bring up the topic with them not do I express any opinions about the veracity of such stories in front of them.

But hey thanks for the ad-hominem that suggests my friends don't trust me despite knowing nothing about me DanBC. I can easily do the same in reverse - did it ever occur that perhaps women tell you about "experiences" because they think you're an easy mark?

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by DanBC on Friday October 19, 2018 @03:05PM (#18259119)

You don't think you're guilty of adhom yourself, with your "they're all lying" claim?

And, really,it doesn't matter what they tell me or you. It matters what they tell crime survey statisticians. Have you _ever_ bothered to look up your country's crime survey stats?

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by sievebrain on Sunday October 21, 2018 @01:48PM (#18269142)

Ad hominem would be if I tried to dismiss an argument with an unrelated attack on someone's personality. In this case I'm not even talking about their personalities or making unrelated accusations, just reporting what happened. Reporting their stories in their own words can't possibly be ad hominem and I'm not even accusing them of lying - they clearly told me what really happened, that's how I'm so sure they were never in danger.

I'm well aware of what self reported crime stats say but my entire thesis in this thread is that women routinely make wildly exaggerated claims so why would surveys of what they think change my mind? A huge disparity between self reports and actual criminal cases is exactly what I'd expect to see

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by tomp on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @01:35PM (#18231352)

I really wish your post above wasn't flagged. I tried "vouching" for it but I don't think it worked.

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by sievebrain on Sunday October 21, 2018 @01:44PM (#18269119)

Thanks anyway. HN readers can't handle the idea of a woman lying at all, really.

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by colemickens on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:23AM (#18228368)

Wow, (regarding that video you reference) this is the first time I've seen someone use an obvious mentally ill person to push their strawman representation of a perceived ideological opponent.

>Sorry, I am not yet convinced. And the women I see around me don't seem that stressed out. I'd expect them to be nervous wrecks who never leave the house if everything was as horrible as feminists claim.

"Never mind the cacophony of stories being told elsewhere, nobody has told me directly so they must all be lying!"

Gee, I wonder why no women have talked to you about their experiences with men. Can't say I'd ever be having that sort of conversation with someone that spends their time doubting the experiences of women for no reason, with no justification.

>I also know women who are unhappy if they don't receive any attention anymore.

"I know women that want attention so women must not have it bad or experience casual, common harassment.". How is any of this real?

>I'd expect them to be nervous wrecks who never leave the house if everything was as horrible as feminists claim.

What does this mean? "As feminists claim". What feminist literature are you reading and referencing? How are you measuring the pulse of feminism right now? Could you please clarify if you are simply stating that you don't believe the number of women that have discussed their own personal experiences with harassment? They're all in on some ploy to punk men? I really am curious what the thought is here.

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Re:Survey of YC female founders on sexual harassment, coerci... by yourbandsucks on Monday October 15, 2018 @06:59PM (#18224759)

You're both right here, but also remember that the 'hysterical' ones are a tiny slice of the people who are upset about this. We'll never get to a place where there aren't at least a handful of manic twitter addicts being crazy about the issue.

Waiting "until people stop talking crazy" just means no action, ever.

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